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Mary Report 13 Apr 2008 18:40

Hi Jackie
Are you saying he appears twice on the 1901??
Can you give me details of the census ref for the entry with kids as I am now intrigued by this man.



Jacki Report 13 Apr 2008 18:51

oh god mary its drivin me insane. what were they up to . the certs i have from have been certified correct by the lady there and she said that its deffinatly likely that frank took on marys two children. but where were his at this time? and where were hers before they came to uk.mmmm makes you wonder eh.
i did put a message on the board for nickydownsouth to help me to copy them to theseboards i onlyknow how to send them as an atachment thru email.


Juliet Report 13 Apr 2008 20:21

Hi, I'm looking for more details on the Fowler family - James Henry Fowler (b 9/8/1861) and Alice Fowler (b est. 1866) and their children James Charles (b 3/10/86) in Essex with sisters Alice (b1889), Jessie (b1891), Lily (b1894) and George (b1898). George was killed in Flanders in 1918.

Thank you in advance.


Jacki Report 13 Apr 2008 21:08

hi mary
all i have is
1881 frank 19 living with the smith family in nrth charlton
1891 frank 29 tailor living with mary newcastle all saints
1901 frank and mary newcastle northumberland and then frank 43 widow 1901 tailor born russia subject ...
living with
ellen 8months(my gran)
william 3yrs born manchester lane funhouse yard wigan
victoria 4yrs manchester lane
mary 12(born to mary in russia)
joseph 15(born to mary in russia)
these weregiven on ancestry .
hope this helps. what i find confusing is it because mary died that he was meantioned again in 1901 cen with would be very interesting for me to find out where all the kids were till then, ?????
your guess is as good as mine


Mary Report 13 Apr 2008 22:54

Hi Juliet
1901 14 Mansion House St,Lambeth,London
James H Fowler Head 38 Brass finisher b Lambeth
Alice Fowler Wife 35 b City of London
James Charles Fowler Son 14 Office boy b Southwark
Alice Eliza Fowler Daur 12 b Southwark
Jessie Elizabeth Fowler Daur 9 b Southwark
Lily Sarah Fowler Daur 7 b Southwark
George William J Fowler Son 3 b Bermondsey

1891 98 Douglas Rd St George the Martyr,Southwark
James Fowler Head 29 Brass finisher b Lambeth
Alice Fowler Wife 25 b City of London
James C Fowler Son 4 b Southwark
Alice E Fowler Daur 2 b Southwark
Peter Hill Father in law Widower 58 Lighterman b City of London
George G Hill Brother in law 15 Wine merchants warehouseman b Southwark

I can try to trace back further if you would like me to.



Juliet Report 15 Apr 2008 20:36

Hi Mary, this is fantastic, thank you. If you are able to trace back and also have details on their deaths, I would appreciate it. Thank you again.


Jacki Report 15 Apr 2008 20:46



Karen_1600 Report 15 Apr 2008 20:59

Hi Mary... is it possible to find this Alfred Abbott in 1891 and 1901 censuses please?

Alfred William Abbott... born c1869 in Nottingham. He was with his parents in Nottingham in 1881, (his father was a chemist) but he's not with them in 1891 and 1901.

Any addresses and occupations are very helpful if possible. Many thanks, K


Karen Report 16 Apr 2008 23:01

Hi Mary, I was wondering if you can help me. James Gibson 1792 London married Hannah ? 1800 London they had James Gibson 28/9/1823 Middlesex- Hannah Gibson 8/12/1824 St Lukes Middlesex -Martha Gibson 24/2/1828 Middlesex - Joseph Gibson 23/4/1832 dont know if there were any other siblings. Could you find out if any of these got married and had any children. I know that this is a big ask plus I know that you are busy. Thank you Karen x


Mary Report 16 Apr 2008 23:17

Hi Juliet
OK here we go ackwards with the Fowler folks and connections:

1881 6 Mansion House Street,Lambeth
John W Johnson Head 27 Engine minder
Sarah A Johnson Wife 27
James H Fowler Brother in law 19 Brass finisher
All born Lambeth

James Henry Fowler/Alice Hill June Qtr 1884 St Saviour Southwark 1d 166

1871 3 Diamonds Buildings,Lambeth St Mary,Surrey
James C Fowler Head 37 Widower Zinc worker
Elizabeth Fowler Daur 14
Harriet Fowler Daur 12
James H Fowler Son 8
All born Lambeth

1861 Same Address
James C Fowler Head 29 Zinc worker
Kate Fowler Wife 28
Sarah Fowler Daur 7 Scholar
Elizabeth Fowler Daur 5 Scholar
Harriet Fowler Daur 2
All born Lambeth

James Charles Fowler /Katherine Wilkins Dec Qtr 1851 Lambeth 4 436

James C Fowler continued to live at the same address on his own until 1901 census whe he was living with daughter Sarah Johnson and husband.
Death James Charles Fowler age 78 Sept Qtr 1909 Lambeth 1d 148

1851 5 Diamond Buildings,Lambeth
Ann Fowler Head 48 Widow Laundress
William Fowler Son 24 Plumer
Ann Fowler Daur 22 Laundress
James Fowler Son 19 Zinc worker
All born Lambeth

1841 Diamond Buildings,Lambeth,Surrey
Ann Fowler 37 Laundress
William Fowler 13 Labourer
Ann Fowler 11
James Fowler 8
All born in Surrey

1841 I believe this is Katherine Wilkins family she appears as Kitty
Diamond Buildings,Lambeth
Thomas Wilkins 50 Painter
Sarah Wilkins 40
Thomas Wilkins 15
George Wilkins 9
Kitty Wilkins 7
William Wilkins 5
Henry Wilkins 1
All born Surrey

I cannot locate Katherine(Kate)(Kitty) in 1851

1851 2 Diamond Buildings,Lambeth
Thomas Wilkins Head 60 Sign board and letter painter b Rainham Kent
Sarah Wilkins Wife 50 b Easebourne,Kent
George Wilkins Son 19 Occupation as father b Northfleet,Kent
William Wilkins Son 14 Occupation as father b Lambeth
Henry Wilkins Son 11 b Lambeth
John Wilkins Son 8 b Lambeth
Frederick Wilkins Son 5 b Lambeth

Now the Hill family
1881 12 Downs Buildings, Southwark,London
Peter Hill Head 46 Lighterman b Middx ,City
Eliza Hill Wife 45 b Middx,City
Alice Hill Daur 16 b Middx,City
Paul D Hill Son 13 b Middx Poplar
George J Hill Son 6 Scholar b Southwark

Eliza Hill age 51 March Qtr 1886 St Saviour Southwark 1d 4

1871 Park Place St Saviour Southwark
Peter Hill Head 37 Lighterman b Middx
Eliza Hill Wife 35 b Middx
Peter Hill Son 12 Scholar b Southwark
Alice Hill Daur 6 Scholar b Southwark
Paul D Hill Son 3 b Southwark
Paul Hill Father 76 Wid Lighterman b Southwark

1861 St Ann Blackfriars,Middx
Peter Hill Head 27 Lighterman b London,Middx
Eliza Hill Wife 25 b London Middx
Peter P Hill Son 1 b London Middx

Peter Hill age 61 Dec Qtr 1895 St Saviour Southwark 1d 21

Peter Hill/Elizabeth Flanders March Qtr 1856 St Saviour 1d 6

1851 193 Upper Thames St,St James Garlick Hythe,Middx
Paul Hill Head 55 Waterman b Dockhead,Surrey
Peter Hill Son 16 b City of London
Alice Hill Daur 23 b Horsley Down,Surrey

1841 2 Little College St,St Michael Royal College Hill,Middx
Paul Hill 45 Waterman
Alice Hill 46
Mary Hill 18
Sarah Hill 16
Alice Hill 13
Peter Hill 7
All except Alice(Mum) shown born in Middx0

That should keep you out of mischief for a while


Mary Report 16 Apr 2008 23:19

Hi Karen
Sorry I cannot locate Alfred W Abbott on either the 1891 or 1901 census.
Are you sure he did not emigrate???



Sarah Report 16 Apr 2008 23:33

Hi Mary
Thanks for the offer.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm trying to find my Great-Grandfather Thomas Jones on the 1861/71 census. His age on his marriage certificate puts his birth year at c.1856 and his father as Benjamin Jones, oil refiner.

Are you able to search on a Thomas living with a Benjamin with that occupation please? Thomas married in Kensington 1885 and his children were born in West Ham but he isn't with them on the 1891 census. He was a ship's fireman.



Linda Report 17 Apr 2008 01:38

Hello Mary.

Can you lookup this family on 1871/ 1891/ 1901 please.

John c1841. Sexston,yorkshire, Occ:Ironstone Miner

Jane wife c1845.Redcar, York, England
Mary J c1867.Redcar.yorkshire
Elizabeth c1869 Marske, North Yorkshire.
William c1871.Marske,North Yorkshire
Sarah c1873.Redcar,North Yorkshire
John R c1874. Redcar,North Yorkshire
Thomas c1875.Redcar,North Yorkshire
Gertrude c1877.Redcar,North Yorkshire
Edward c1878.Redcar,North Yorkshire.

In 1881 they were living at 43 Red Lion St. Redcar, York.

Many Thanks.

Linda x


Mary Report 17 Apr 2008 12:01

Hi Sarah
As you say it is a longshot,without birthplace for Thomas it is virtually impossible.
I cannot find on 1861 or 1871 a thomas Jones with father Benjamin at all.
Who did Thomas marry and do you have him on 1901??
What was his address on his marriage cert???



Karen_1600 Report 17 Apr 2008 14:25

Hi Mary... Thanks for looking for Alfred Abbott! I'm sure I have what is his marriage in 1904 to an Esther Bird in Nottingham, I will send for the cert to see if it is him.
If not I suppose he must have emigrated or perhaps working in the services.
Thanks again! K


Doreen Report 17 Apr 2008 19:41

Hi Mary hope you can help do not have much to go on looking for any info on Sarah Kaye B1849 in Huddersfield father thought to be Edward kaye born 1818 dont know any more about him thanks Doreen


Mary Report 18 Apr 2008 11:47

Hi Linda

1871 Esplanade,Upleatham,Yorks
John Atkinson Head 32 Ironstone miner b Sigston,Yorks
Jane Atkinson Wife 26 b Redcar
Mary J atkinson Daur 4 b Redcar
Elizabeth Atkinson Daur 3 b Marske
William Atkinson Son 1 b Marske
William Upton Brother in law 19 Ironstone miner b Redcar

John Atkinson/Jane Upton Dec Qtr 1865 Guisbro 9d 967

1891 43 Redlion St,Redcar
John Atkinson Head 52 Fisherman b Sigston
Jane Atkinson Wife 47 b Redcar
William Atkinson Son 19 Fisherman b Marske
Sarah Atkinson Daur 17
John Robert Atkinson Son 16 Fisherman
Thomas Atkinson Son 15
Edward Atkinson Son 10 Scholar
Matthew Atkinson Son 9 Scholar
Walter Atkinson 8 Scholar
All after William born Redcar

1901 Same address as 91
John Atkinson Head 62 Fisherman
Jane Atkinson Wife 56
William Atkinson 32 Fisherman
Thomas Atkinson Son 26 Sailor
Edward Atkinson Son 22 Fisherman
Walter Atkinson Son 16 Fisherman
Birthplces as 91

They seem a bit vague about ages!!!



Linda Report 18 Apr 2008 18:24


Thank you very much.

Linda x


Mary Report 18 Apr 2008 19:41

Hi Gary
Semms very odd that the father on the birth cert is Benjamin and then on the marriage certs it is Thomas,something not right here.



Mary Report 18 Apr 2008 19:58

Hi Nichole

1851 census
Bell Inn 28 Medina Terrace,Northwood IOW
Ann Morris age 23 is a Domestic servant in the household of James Noble,a Licensed victualler.

1841 census shows 3 possibles,all living away from home as Female servants,so not able to be be sure which uis correct .
BUT the IGI shows Ann Morris christened 13/April 1828 at Mottiston,parents John and Charlotte.

1841 Hawkshill,Mottiston,IOW
the only Morris family in the village
John Morris 40 Ag lab
Charlotte Morris 40
William Morris 15
Charlotte Morris 11
John Morris 9
Emma Morris 7
Martha Morris 5
Mark Morris 3
Charles Morris 7mths

I believe Charlottes maiden name was Hayward,from IGI record for birth of son William.