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Madmeg Report 20 Jan 2011 21:44

Ah, a chef. Hmm. A chef who feeds his kids ketchup butties.

Can't you fetch home a few leftovers from the kitchen? The odd few mushrooms a la grecque, or maybe a bit of salmon mousse.

I used to work with chef-lecturers, taught on hospitality courses. Aren't chef's supposed to be highly excitable people? No, I worked with some great blokes.

Well, folks, there's a free gourmet meal on Robert coming up - I will post details later.

Incidentally, I was a bit miffed that he was getting his certs sent much faster than me - ordered 8 about 3 weeks ago. I imagined the service was slow over Christmas/New year, but eventually it got to me. Found my order still sitting there on the GRO cos I hadn't completed the process! Awaiting 8 certs tomorrow. Daughter's partner's family. Latest investigation. Proving interesting.

Now, back to those Seals. Beginning to think as Janey said, he was just a friend or neighbour. Maybe a godfather. No, not the Mafia.


Madmeg Report 20 Jan 2011 21:49

No, not sad Dea. It's an unsolved mystery. He is there in 1901 as a supposed relative. He isn't nothing to the family. If I were Bobbo I'd get his death cert, and hope it says something useful about the informant. I simply couldn't rest without it.

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
SEAL John 89 Salford 8d 100


Dea Report 20 Jan 2011 21:52

I just have to say - in defence of the ketchup butties - when I was a girl (MANY years ago), we used to go to the shop for penny cobs !!

They were hovis, or round crispy rolls etc !

I used to love the round crispy rolls and would bite off the top, put my little finger in and scoop out all the soft inside, then fill them with tomato sauce and eat them up !!!

That is what you call a 'ketchup buttie !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yummmmm !!

Dea Xxx


Christine2 Report 20 Jan 2011 22:06

Well I know there is no actual family connection but I would LOVE to know what Henry Snape died of !!


SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2011 22:07


I remember penny cobs

I used to buy the Hovis ones whenever I managed to get a penny

Used to walk home pulling it to pieces and eating little bits at a time. Never put anything on it ....... or in it!


jax Report 20 Jan 2011 22:21

Being a southern person we call them rolls.

First time HID asked me if I wanted a cob (being a scouser) I had no idea what he was talking about. Need to train him to use southern words now



lancashireAnn Report 20 Jan 2011 23:29

would never have guessed a chef Robert - you seem too calm

never had a ketchup butty (maybe we could not afford ketchup), but I do remember 'sugar butties'

I spent any odd penny on a HUGE vimpto ice lolly


SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2011 23:48

sugar butties used to be my treat when I was a good girl!

both grandma and mum would give them to me

it's surprising that my teeth are as good as they are!

and what about chip butties, as we got older?


lancashireAnn Report 20 Jan 2011 23:59

chip butties with salad cream

I'd better go to bed before I get too tempted to go and find some food


SylviaInCanada Report 21 Jan 2011 00:02


It's mid-afternoon here ..... and i have just been to find some food!


Vanessa Report 21 Jan 2011 08:33

I'm loving this thread apart from all this butty talk!

I was diagnosed Coeliac 2 years ago and soooooo miss hot chip butties with lurpak butter dripping off the sarny and daddies brown sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........................................


Mary Report 21 Jan 2011 10:47

The 1891 census with John Seal at the Duttons.

Sarah E Dutton was Sarah Elizabeth Seal.



Christine2 Report 21 Jan 2011 11:20

I believe we did wonder at one time whether she was OUR Sarah Ann, but we discovered later that she was a Hughes, then Snape.


Robert Report 22 Jan 2011 08:33

FANTASTIC.........well done girls, we've discovered a new butty.......tomato ketchup ..........with chips in the middle yaayy! the kids will go mad!!
Well....they will have to starve for a few days before I can let them have one of THOSE!!! hehhe, well that's a double helping isn't it ???

John Seal Census 1901,......hmmmm he's obviously there under false pretences and lying about his family connection dontcha think?

And at 88 in those days he would be on his last legs I would imagine.....George and more likely Grace would be looking after him, but why?
Ten years later she's on her own with one son John. Grace married at 16.....had George at 19, and was he the first I wonder.

I only count 4 kids by her up until and including 1911 so there's one missing, 1911 census says 5 children, but it was written over , was that a 4 originally?

Rob the Chef :)) butty specialist xx


Mary Report 22 Jan 2011 10:40

Could it be Florence Annie born about 1906 who is missing.
She was a witness on John Edwards marriage in 1928.



Christine2 Report 22 Jan 2011 11:42

Yes Mary, it could. I've just been trying to sort my head round it all.
Where on earth in 1911 are George William born Dec 1901 Salford - Cyril born June 1904 Belper and Florence Annie born 1906 Salford?
And do we know why Grace popped over from Salford to Belper for a while?
Can anyone remember which birth I thought might be Martha as Martha Walker? She is listed as 2 years old on 1911. There is no birth for a Martha Dore that fits at all and the only Martha Walker birth in Salford that's anywhere near is June 1911. So even if the 2 years should read two months it's pushing it if they registered her within the 6 weeks.

Did we realise before by the way that the Mary Elizabeth listed as Dean - 4 years old in 1881 was actually born as Mary Elizabeth Snape to the rotter Henry? I think it must be her as we think that Henry didn't die until 1878 don't we?


Mary Report 22 Jan 2011 13:35

George Dore's dad Luke Dore lived in Derbyshire and I think he died @ 1904/5 so maybe they were looking after him.



Christine2 Report 22 Jan 2011 15:47

Oh yes, of course Mary :) It's so hard to keep it all in your head. We could do with a time line:))


Dea Report 22 Jan 2011 16:01

I have SO much info on this and am still SO 'discomfumbulated' that I am going to sit in a darkened room until tomorrow and then look at this again !

GGGrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Dea Xxx


Christine2 Report 22 Jan 2011 16:10

Oh I LOVE that word Dea 'discomfumbulated' we always say 'discombobulated' :))))))))))))