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trying to find Joseph Morris born about 1862

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Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:42

Hi, have been able to trace my great grandfather Joseph Morris in 1911 census but unable to find any other information. He was born in 1862
birth place: Warton Lancashire England
civil parish: Stockham and Norton in cheshire
in 1911 he lived at Moss Side Farm, Moore, Warrington where he was single, a farmer and head of household
he had a daughter Josephine Morris Hayes who was born in 1897
The only other information I have that he is buried in Daresbury church
Can anyone help please?

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Apr 2013 14:45

As he didn't marry the mother of his child, you can't find out his father's name

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Apr 2013 14:49

Please post 1911 census details for reference

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:49

Daughter in 1911 ?

1911 England Census about Josephine Morris Hayes
Name: Josephine Morris Hayes
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grand or Great Niece (Great Niece)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 70 Grices Square Runcorn
Occupation: Cord Maker
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 21627
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Heatherington 75 Place: Carden, Cumberland (Occupation: Retired Housekeeper) - Single
Josephine Morris Hayes 14


and 1901?

1901 England Census about Josephine M Hayes
Name: Josephine M Hayes
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Grand or Great Niece (Great Niece)
Gender: Female
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: Runcorn All Saints
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 3336
Folio: 24
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Killcross [Mary A Heatherington ,] 65 born: Carlisle, Cumberland
Josephine M Hayes 4

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:51

Thanks for taking the time, that makes a lot of sense as I cannot even trace him back to 1901 census when he would have been 39
Jo

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:52

Possible baptism record for daughter :-

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Josephine Morris Hayes
Name: Josephine Morris Hayes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 4 Apr 1897
Christening Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Hayes

....................................................................

ancestry links this death with her?:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Josephine M Corker
Name: Josephine M Corker
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1944
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 287

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:54

This looks to be the 1911 census:-

1911 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Warton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Stockham and Norton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Moss Side Moore Warrington
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 21619
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Morris 49
Robert William Bish 47
Jane Ellen Bish 45
James Arthur Bish 10
John Keelty 29
Martin Keelty 27

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:57

When a man is missing from 1901 census I always think of the Boer War?

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 14:57

Hi Catherine, yes, Josephine Morris Hayes was my grandmother, she is as far as I can get on her side due to her father supposedly being unknown but my auntie tells me he was called Joseph Morris but never married?
thanks Jo

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Apr 2013 14:58

Thanks Catherine....that is helpful

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Apr 2013 14:59

As there is no record of his 'daughter' living with him, you are going to be unable to prove who her father was...........unless he is named on her birth cert, and even then..................

Why did you pick on the one you have found in 1911?

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 15:02

Think I have met a dead end, all I know about the daughter is that she was looked after by a Governess

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 15:05

Because my mum told me that her mother was illegitimate but knew that her father was a cheshire farmer called Joseph who lived at Moss Side Farm, the 1911 census confirmed this

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 15:08

Going on baptism for Josephine, this may be a possible bith for her mother????:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Jane Hayes
Name: Mary Jane Hayes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1844
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 19
Page: 232

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 15:10

thanks Catherine, I did consider her to be the mother of my Grandma but again was unable to take it any further

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Apr 2013 16:04

1901 (FMP)
HETHERINGTON, Mary A Head Single F 65 1836 Smallware Shopkeeper
Carlisle, Cumberland
HAYES, Josephine M Grand Niece F 4 1897
Runcorn, Cheshire
Piece: 3336
Folio: 24
Page: 9
Registration District: Runcorn
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Municipal Borough:
Address: 83, Shaw Street, Runcorn
County: Cheshire

(address given as 29, Brackley Street, Runcorn,1897 Baptism image FMP)

Chris :)

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 16:07

thanks Chris, do you have any connections to post?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Apr 2013 16:12

No Josephine, sorry!.

Chris :)

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Apr 2013 16:46

From the census records it looks as though Josephine was looked after by her Great Aunt, who never married and was from Cumberland.

Do you have Josephine's marriage certificate?
One of my relies was illegitimate, father's name was not noted on birth certificate, but it was noted on her marriage certificate, so you never know.

Josephine

Josephine Report 15 Apr 2013 16:56

No I haven`t but will order one, might be worth it, otherwise feel a visit to Daresbury cemetery coming on! was told that the person who looked after Josephine was employed by her father to look after her, how true that is I don`t know