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Trying again !! James Greenwood 1832 - 1883

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Simon Report 5 Dec 2008 21:25

Can someone find this 1841 Census for me


My friend in Canada?


Simon Report 6 Dec 2008 19:58



jansmith Report 7 Dec 2008 05:55

who do you think we are looking for then father Richard or Michael?


Simon Report 27 Feb 2009 23:23

Still stuck


Simon Report 14 Oct 2009 23:32

Still stuck


JaneyCanuck Report 14 Oct 2009 23:41

Blast from ze past.


"Can you please post the 1841 Census record of James Greenwood and his widow mother"

You posted something yonks ago saying you had such a census record **and you never posted it here** despite our pleas.

Please. Won't you try to figure out what it was you did?

-- what you said in Sept 2008, on the previous page:

"I do think i found them in 1841 with a widow running a farm of sum acres and a 9yr old son called James."


There just is not a James Greenwood in Lancashire born 1832 with a widowed mother, in 1841!


Simon Report 14 Oct 2009 23:48

Hi Kath
How's Canada?
Hope you are well

I really need to find James 1832 Dad for certain.
Bye for now


BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 15 Oct 2009 00:21

Is this the 1841 census ? (Sorry I havn't been through all your postings )

name: James Greenwood
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:


View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Greenwood 40
David Greenwood 20
Benjamin Greenwood 15
Mary Greenwood 15
James Greenwood 10

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 535; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Bolton Le Moors; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 39; Page: 31


JaneyCanuck Report 15 Oct 2009 00:41

You want another wild theory?

1841 - the name is plainly GREENWOOD

Name: James Greenawald
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Rochdale

He is hived off from the household by Ancestry. The rest of the household is:

Abraham Stott 50
Mary Stott 25
Edmund Stott 20
John Statt 15
Sarah Statt 12
Ellen Statt 10

All STOTT, of course.


Name: James Stott
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wardleworth
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire

Sarah Lord 49
William Lord 26
John Lord 24
Edmund Lord 19
James Stott 18

Occupation in 1851: ENGINE TENDER.

Just a wild theory ...


JaneyCanuck Report 15 Oct 2009 00:44

No shortage of James Greenwoods, Barbara. ;)

That one in 1841, mother Sarah - mother has no occupation, so she doesn't seem to be the one Tracey says she found.

I think Tracey was dreaming ...

But interestingly, that 1841 household has an Ellis Knight, age 44 (I think, could be 24), occupation *engineer* -- no, I think it's 24, his wife and baby are on the next page. I was thinking of a stepfather for that James ...


BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 15 Oct 2009 00:57

It looks as if Ellis knight married Eliza Greenwood

Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)
AGNEW Robert Manchester 20 400
ASHTON Harriet Manchester 20 400
BEAUMONT Joseph Manchester 20 400
BEAUMONT Joseph Manchester 20 400
BOWKER William Manchester 20 400
DUNDERLEY Betty Manchester 20 400
FLETCHER Mary Manchester 20 400

>>>>>>GREENWOOD Eliza Manchester 20 400
>>>>>>KNIGHT Ellis Manchester 20 400


Simon Report 15 Oct 2009 15:33

I think your other wild theory is closer to the truth, but this one has legs

The census states birthplace Oldham and Bolton

I guess the real place was somewhere in between like Rochdale.

Therefore Lancashire rather than Yorkshire.

He could have changed his name, but why between 1851 and 1861.

How did he go from tending engines at 18 to making boilers at 28 over 100 miles away.

Lots still to think about. I guess I may never know the answer to this.

Thanks for all you help


Simon Report 22 Mar 2010 19:38

Im still stuck trying to find James Greenwood on the 1851 census.


Simon Report 29 Mar 2010 13:45


I finally managed to have access to the Mancheter Census of 1851 that was damaged.
There is a James Greenwood listed as a lodger in Salford aged 21 which is about the right age with a year or two.

He is listed as working as a Fustian Cutter in the textile industry.

If this is him, I cannot see how he links to the 1861 Census where James Greenwood was living in Bilston working as a Boilermaker.

On the 1841 James is only 9 or 10 and the only plausible possible James Greenwood is living with his Grandmother.

A possible father Richard Greenwood ( Names stated on marriage cert) is living over 10 miles away as an Agricultural Labourer.

I need to link the 1841 and 1851 census to James in 1861.


WayneTracey Report 29 Mar 2010 17:14

Hey Simon

It's been so long since i looked at this thread, and it's popped up on my 'old threads'

I remember finding something relevant, i'll have to go back over old notes and see what it was.

Can you just remind me of the basic facts as they stand now to jog my memory.

Tracey x


JaneyCanuck Report 29 Mar 2010 17:20

You you you!!

You claimed to have found a widowed Ms Greenwood farming in 1841.

I could not replicate your results, or get you to post 'em up for us.

Should be maybe 2 or 3 pages back?

Meanwhile, I've had one word for Simon:



Simon Report 30 Mar 2010 19:56

Hi Tracey and Janey

I would love to crack this one.

If there was a widowed farmer with a 9 year old son called James can you please find her again.




WayneTracey Report 2 Apr 2010 00:27

I lost this thread along time ago, disapeared into the ether that is GR

I have been on weird shifts all week, but i'm off this weekend, so will look at my notes and see what i found again.


Tracey x


Simon Report 3 Apr 2010 17:10

Bumping this one up to nudge Wayne Tracey.

In a pleasant nice way of course but I would love to know about the widow in Lancashire with a son called James on the 1841.


WayneTracey Report 3 Apr 2010 17:21

I'm here....i'm here!!

Tracey x