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WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN LEICESTER (PART TWENTY)

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Kathleen

Kathleen Report 7 Sep 2009 16:55

Hi Mike

I wonder if I can trouble you again for a couple of burial details, I'm looking for Robert Tattersall who died 4th qtr.1881 and another Robert Tattersall who died 1st qtr. 1889, both Leicester. I would like to know who else is in the same grave, as you know this sometimes gives other family members which helps. One thing I've noticed about some burials is that even though it's a common grave you sometimes find members of the same family buried together even years apart, have you any idea why this is?

Your help always appreciated.
Regards
Kathleen

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 7 Sep 2009 19:10

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(¸.•´ (¸.•´ .•´ ¸¸.•¨¯`•.•……F.A.O…….KATHLEEN.

Greeting’s Again………………. Kathleen.

Looks like TWO separate Plots :~

Welford Road cemetery.

Plot No’. U. N. 455.

N 455 C Tattersall George 1858 Mar 15 4yrs 6mths
Alexander Street Blackfriars 6084

N 455 C Tattersall Betsy 1859 Sep 27 3yrs 5mths
Alexander Street Blackfriars 8057

N 455 C Tattersall Thomas Albert 1867 Aug 5 3mths
Upper Charles Street Saint George 18991


N 455 C Tattersall George Frank 1868 Oct 18 3mths
Upper Charles Street Saint George 21303

N 455 C Tattersall Emma Elizabeth 1878 Jul 20 2mths
Alexander Street The Friars 40430

N 455 C TATTERSALL ROBERT 1881 Dec 31 Aged.36
Alexander Street The Friars 48229

N 455 F Riley Sarah Eliza 1934 Apr 27 72
C.G.H. / 299 Saffron Lane Leicester 122369 [City General Hospital]

Having had a quick look at the 1881 census returns
Then this one below could be Robert’s Father
As Both born in Radford Nottingham……


Plot No. U.S. 357.

S 357 C Barratt Frederick George 1871 Sep 24 1
Upper Brunswick Street Saint Margaret 26819

S 357 C Clay Albert 1889 Mar 9 8mths
High Cross Street All Saints 63565

S 357 C Denning Eliza 1889 Mar 9 7wks
Upper Hill Street Saint George 63566

S 357 C Newby Florence 1889 Mar 11 6mths
Free Lane Saint George 63577

S 357 C Grundy Agnes 1889 Mar 11 1 Catherine Street Saint Margaret 63579

S 357 C TATTERSALL ROBERT 1889 MAR 12 Aged.67
LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT NICHOLAS 63582

S 357 C Stephens Johanna Edith 1889 Mar 15 1 Edwyn Street Saint George 63597

S 357 C Crapper Frederick Edwin 1889 Mar 16 8mths Belgrave Road Saint Margaret 63604

S 357 C Merchant William 1889 Mar 18 20days Rudkin Street Saint Margaret 63609



Re :~ Despite intervening years persons are reunited with fellow members of the same Family
How come ?

Do not forget that the Cemetery holds a Master Plan of where each person / Families are buried
There fore I’m sure question were asked before committal……
To make sure they were reunited with their Families.

Seeing that Robert (Snr) died after is Son therefore perhaps no Family members to ask the above question
Plus seeing that Robert ( Snr) was an inmate at the Union Work House.

I hope that is what you were asking ?

MIKE.

Karen

Karen Report 7 Sep 2009 22:46

Good Morning Mike

If possible would you be able to find some info on the following family..

William Henry Newby bc 1846, Leicester . I have him age 5, on the 1851 census with his grandparents John and Mary Newby at Blaby. John is a school master.
I see there is a entry on Ancesry births for a William Henry Newby b 1846, but would like to know his parents , if possible ...

Many tks for your time ......
Cheers.
Karen of Brisbane

Donna

Donna Report 7 Sep 2009 22:55

Hi Mike
If you dont mind looking for that marriage at the records office i would really appreciate it,i have also found children for Giles 1st child born 1803 chritened St Margs,2nd child born 1805 christened All Saints then a gap till 1809 1811 1814 and 1816 four more all born Barkby.I thought that people stuck to one church,unless they moved ,would there be a reason for using so many.
Thanks again Donna

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 7 Sep 2009 23:52

Greeting’s again Karen O’ Brisbane……

It was Wigston Magna not Blaby. for the 1851 census returns

I see that there is also a Ann Newby aged. 35 Widow a Visitor within the same household who gives her birth place as Carlton Yorkshire

I just wonder if this Ann is the Mother of William Hy ?

I see from a Bastardy Order made out in 1848 she names the Father

Case No’. 128

ANN NEWBY
Abode……. GREAT WIGSTON
Order Dated….23 MAY 1848.
Case heard …..3 JUN 1848.

Judgment made ….. Ordered to pay 1s 6d per week from 23 May & costs 16s


Named father:~ WILLIAM LENNARD

Judge : ~ Mr Sheppard.

Still not resloved by 1851 :~
217 ANN NEWBY GREAT WIGSTON 9 AUG 1851 Summons not issued, defendants residence not known


What do you think ?

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Sep 2009 00:33

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(¸.•´ (¸.•´ .•´ ¸¸.•¨¯`•.•……F.A.O…….DONNA

Greeting’s Again Donna.

Why so many moves ? .......…..Simple
Giles was in trouble with the Parish :~

Quarter Sessions of The Leicester Court
Case No’ :~
QS6/1/11/600
Michaelmas 1806 Barnacle Giles Husband 16 Sep 1806 Leicester All Saints Leicester St Mary Discharged

Michaelmas 1806 Barnacle Elizabeth Wife 16 Sep 1806 Leicester All Saints Leicester St Mary Discharged



Michaelmas 1806 Barnacle William 18Mths Son 16 Sep 1806 Leicester All Saints Leicester St Mary Discharged

Removed from All Saints Parish Back to St Margaret’s Parish.


MIKE.

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 8 Sep 2009 05:14

Whaddya know Uncle Mike - we've gone for the hat trick!!

First the credit card scam, then the cannabis factory, and now the latest incident - don't we live in a nice place!!

Hope all well in the scouty world - son who's now taller than me had a good time at Wannado Wild West!!

Karen

Karen Report 8 Sep 2009 10:25

Hi Mike,

Many tks for taking the time with this..

You could be right with William being son of Ann Newby, the visitor. ........

I have gone thru John and Marys family and I doubt that Ann is their daughter, but I wonder why they put William as their 'grandson'

I cannot find him after this 1851 census.

There is a William Henry Newby born 1846, to William D Newby and Lousia S Newby, all part of the same family , and I have this fellow on the the 1851 census with his parents.

So.... I still dont really know. Next step is to buy the certificate...

Tks once again.

Cheers.
Karen of Brisbane

Kathleen

Kathleen Report 8 Sep 2009 16:05

Thanks Mike for the Tattersall burials, yes they were Father and son and again it's thrown up other family members, which is a great help.

Many thanks
Regards
Kathleen

Donna

Donna Report 8 Sep 2009 18:35

Hi Mike
I had to ask didnt i...about the moves...lol...another villian in the family,wonder what he had done.Thanks Mike you are wealth of information,wouldn't now how to go about looking into courts and stuff, any pointers?
Donna

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 8 Sep 2009 19:17

Hey LaGooner,

Mike's a scouty bod, Maggie's a Girlie Guide.

Where in the country are you?

Happy Centenary!!

Maggie

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Sep 2009 19:31

Greeting’s Again Maggie O’ Alcatraz.!!! …….

No comment !!.........

Mummy told me....." Not to talk to shady characters "………lol.

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Sep 2009 19:38

Greeting’s Again. …. La Gooner……

Yes for my sins…….
I have been running an Inner City Group for the past 27 years……

So. ….If I go missing over a week end then I’m away on camp with the Boys
A District Beaver Sleep over coming up at the end of Oct……
“ Red Indians “…..umm bless um…..
Here's my chance to get up to date with my shooting skills ….lol :))))

MIKE.

Happy Anniversary from me ...

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Sep 2009 19:52

Greeting’s Again. …. Donna……

I would think Giles was working the System……
Asking for Parish relieve and then not keeping to his side of the contract…..

Hence the multiple Baptisms in different Parishes.

I understand it that once a Child has been Baptised into the Parish then
That Parish becomes responsible should they fall on bad times by supporting them..

But if Giles was “ Work Shy” and did not help support his family then the Parish has the right to remove him back to his original Parish by a “ Removal Order “
Where he is obliged to keep his side of a “ Settlement Order “…..

So I would think Giles was trying to be one step in front of them by moving about a lot and getting the latest child Baptised in that Parish and……..
so the circle continues……….

Hope this helps ?

I'll try and look at the original court transciption held at the Records Office for you ...But give me some time to do this ...

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Sep 2009 20:00

Greeting’s Again. …. Kathleen.

I too did not think that Ann was a Daughter of the Head of the
family household in Wigston Magna……..
Perhaps a distant relative.? ……

And to “Save Face” of Ann they put down that William Henry was a Grandchild
I have seen this several time on Census returns….

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 9 Sep 2009 22:47

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(¸.•´ (¸.•´ .•´ ¸¸.•¨¯`•.•……F.A.O…….DONNA.

Greeting’s again Donna.

MARRIAGE :~

St: Nicolas Parish Church Leicester.

Marriage Registers read thus :~

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1803.
Entry No’. 154.

Giles Barnacle. Of this Parish. Bachelor.
Elizabeth Woodford. Of the same Spinster.

Married in this Church by Banns
This Twenty fourth day of January
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Three.
By Me : ~ John Anderson. Vicar.

Giles signed the register in a clear & flowing Signature.
Elizabeth by her Mark = X

In the Presence of :~

John Underhill.
Hannah Clarke …by her Mark…..= +

Transcript of the Court case will be with a long in a bit
It needs typing up ……

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 9 Sep 2009 23:34

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Greeting’s again Donna.

From the original Court Book of 203 years old

QS6 / 1 / 11 / 600.

WHEREAS Giles Barnacle And Elizabeth his Wife With their Child William aged one year and a half.
Where sent by a Warrant under the hand and seal of Hamlet Clark and John Salter Gentlemen two of his majesties justices of the peace for he Borough of Leicester in said County.
One were being of bearing of the Quaruary bearing Date this Sixteenth Day of September of last past. From the Parish of All Saints in the said Borough as to the last legal place of Settlement of said Giles Barnacle and his said Wife And Child William.
And the inhabitants of the Parish of St Mary’s aforesaid appending to this court from the said Warrant of the said two justices.
This Court upon hearing Council and witnesses on both sides….
DOTH. DISCHARGE.
The said warrant of the said two justices and the inhabitants of the Parish of St. Mary aforesaid are by this court Discharged of the said Giles Barnacle his Wife and Child William.

Signed…………Tho’s ??????? …...Deputy Justices of the Peace. .

Now you want a translation of the above ??...Thought so………lol……

I showed this tonight to my Solicitor friend of long standing…….
His understanding of the case was …
It would appear Giles upset the Locals of the Parish in some way and they wanted Giles out ……..
But on hearing the evidence of both sides the Court came down on Giles side and discharged him….So he got away with what every he had done….

And Giles being Giles voted with his feet and moved on to another Parish……..
I’ll have a look at the entries for Barkby next time I’m at the records Office
To see if we can find out what Giles did for a living and confirm those Baptisms…

MIKE …
off for a lie down and get my fingers back from all this typing……Ah……

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 10 Sep 2009 12:17

Hasn't Mike been a busy boy!! And all that in between Boy Scout Business!! (Good to see you yesterday Mike - hope they let you go home eventually). Have fun with all those Beavers!! Not keen on Beavers meself - certainly couldn't eat a whole one!!

Sounds like you're busy too LaGooner - not learned how to say "No" yet then!! Doesn't leave a lot of time for dead rellie hunting does it??!!

Maggie (who's keeping the doors locked at night!!)

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 10 Sep 2009 14:13

Hi Mike,

Any chance you could take a look at the marriage of Hannah Potts to William Hicklin which took place on 16/8/1824 at Breedon on the Hill. Hannah may be the mother of my 3x gt grandmother Elizabeth Potts who was baptised on 1/9/1811 (you have already checked the parish records for Elizabeths baptism and possible siblings) Elizabeths baptism only gave her mothers name Hannah Potts but there was Hannah married to John Potts (you found their children) and this other Hannah who married in 1824 (I believe John didn't die till much later). I have been trying to find a baptism for Hannah Potts but without success, so was hoping her age may be given on her marriage and that you may be able to find her baptism.

Although I believe there is some connection between Elizabeth and John and Hannahs family I'm not convinced 100% of them being her parents, I'm wondering if John may be Elizabeths uncle/brother.

The info you found for me previously is on page 14/15 of part 19.

Thanking you in advance for anything you find

Chris

Jean

Jean Report 10 Sep 2009 19:57

Hello,

I have a Benjamine Sikes/Sykes married to Jane Platts about 1833 Coleorton, Jane appears to have had a son Frederick Platts abt 1829 Coleorton ( I think) On the parish Record for her marriage does it state if she was a widow? She appears to have been born abt 1796 Coleorton, do hope you have access to these records. Many Thanks