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Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Mar 2006 14:41

Maud Where did she get married what are the details from marriage cert and was it in Scotland ~ if so will not be able to help.. If it was England or Wales will do what I can to help. Zoe

Rachel

Rachel Report 16 Mar 2006 16:13

Zoe, I haven't found him in any censuses yet, so don't know his occupation. He was one of nine children three of whom I have found on the census but he is not with them. Here are the details of who I have found so far.. Thomas William born 1802 16 Grt New Street Engraver 1841 census lived 19-20 Abermarle Street Clerkenwell Finsbury married Elizabeth (Betsy) 1851 living 72 St johns Steet Finsbury. John William b 1804 16 New Street Square St Brides Jeweller d 1873 married Charlotte Tomlin 1841 living with brother Edward at Regent Street Stepney 1851 living 36 West Street Bethnal Green. Edward 1807 St Brides Brass finisher (Gentleman) 1841 living Regent Street Stepney 1851 living 121 High Street Shadwell married Matilda maria Smith. The other siblings I have not found yet are Charles George b 1796 Grt New Street christened 31 1 1796. Occupation unknown (I am waiting for a death cert which I hope is his Death in west London 1857) Elizabeth b 1798 16 Grt New street st Brides Emma 1809 St Brides Robert Edward 1812 Saint Andrew Holborn Henry Robert 1813 Saint Andrew Holborn and of course George Edward. Because I could not find him on the census it was great to find him on his mothers death cert until I checked the address and he wasn't there. I know he isn't with the siblings I have found but am struggling to trace the others where of course he and his father may have gone to live . Sorry I wasn't able to answer your question but I thought the family detail I have given you may give you a better picture of what I know. Thanks Rachel

Zoe

Zoe Report 16 Mar 2006 18:43

Tracey Here is Charles Birth you will get the parents names from this Births Jun 1871 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERON Charles Ernest Durham 10a 415 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Possible 1881 If this is right they are calling Charles by his middle name and Edith Anne matches your Ann 8 Edward Place Head is a Bread baker Ann E. Heron abt 1852 Durham City, Durham, England Wife 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England Edith Anne Heron abt 1877 Durham St Giles Daughter 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England Emmerson Heron abt 1850 Durham City, Durham, England Head 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England Emmerson Heron abt 1875 Durham St Giles Son 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England Ernest Heron abt 1871 Durham St Giles Son 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England John George Heron abt 1873 Durham St Giles Son 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England Thomas Heron abt 1879 Sunderland, Durham, England Son 8 Lodge Hill, St Giles, Durham, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Think the above might be right ones I think Edith Annie is who you call just Annie 1891 Albert Heron abt 1888 Durham, England Son St Giles Durham Ann Elizabeth Heron abt 1852 Durham, England Wife St Giles Durham Beatrice Mary Heron abt 1885 Durham, England Daughter St Giles Durham Charles Ernest Heron abt 1871 Durham, England Son St Giles Durham Edith Annie Heron abt 1877 Durham, England Daughter St Giles Durham Emmerson Heron abt 1851 Durham, England Head St Giles Durham Emmerson Heron abt 1875 Durham, England Son St Giles Durham John George Heron abt 1873 Durham, England Son St Giles Durham Nelly Heron abt 1881 Durham, England Daughter St Giles Durham Thomas Heron abt 1879 Sunderland Son St Giles Durham Source information: RG12/4104 Registration district: Durham Sub registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 14 Page: 26 GSU Number: 6099214 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901~ Maybe Ellen is Nelly/ie 2 Renneys buildings Ann is a widow Ellen & Beatrice are Stationers Asst's Emmerson is a Compositor Printer Albert H Heron abt 1891 Durham, England Son Durham St Giles Durham Ann E Heron abt 1852 Durham, England Head Durham St Giles Durham Beatrice M Heron abt 1887 Durham, England Daughter Durham St Giles Durham Ellen Heron abt 1882 Durham, England Daughter Durham St Giles Durham Emmerson Heron abt 1875 Durham, England Son Durham St Giles Durham William B Heron abt 1895 Durham, England Son Durham St Giles Durham Source information: RG13/4682 Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 69 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 100 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will try to find marriages in a little while!! Hope this helps Zoe

Alison

Alison Report 16 Mar 2006 22:35

Hi Zoe FERRIER - South Wales Evan Ferrier - Master Mariner - Pembrokeshire, Wales My GGgrandfather Evan Ferrier is a bit of a mystery. He was born approx 1822 in Cardigan but cannot find any birth records for him. Do not have any siblings for him or parents although I think his father's name was John Ferrier. His father's name was left off his first marriage certificate (married Anne Davies 25.12.1846 in Cardiff) but was entered as John Ferrier (Pensioner) at the time of his second marriage to Mary Edwards - 5.2.1867, St Dogmells, Pembrokeshire. Have found a John Ferrier, Gentleman who died 24.4.1847 aged 81 Also know of John and Elizabeth Ferrier who, in 1785 were of Cardigan and in 1786 were from Glog, Clydey. In 1795 Elizabeth Ferrier died. They had a son John Ferrier but do not know when he was born. So far have not been able to connect to either of these. There is also a John Best Ferrier born Cardigan 1815 and I have wondered if he is a brother to my Evan but again cannot find a connection. Any help you can offer in trying to connect my Evan Ferrier to the correct Ferrier family would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Alison

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Mar 2006 12:44

Alison I have looked cannot seem to find a connection but it is more than probable..Have you tried the parish records to find his birth? Zoe

Alan

Alan Report 17 Mar 2006 17:19

Hi Zoe I think you'll find them as Josh & Ellen Evenson or Everson. They're at 117 Broadwall in Christchurch. When you look at the image you'll see that Josh is actually Jos h, short for Joseph Joseph and Eliza E are at 17 Broadwall in 1851. Same street, 100 houses down. I've often wondered if it's the same house after renumbering. Seems a huge coincidence. Alan

Wendy

Wendy Report 17 Mar 2006 17:44

Id like help to find the birth certificate/records of my grandfather. he was Arthur hedley James Vincent born in ?salisbury. His sister, Eva Vincent has parents Winifrred Edith Ballard and Frank Vincent. the family has links with Croydon. His birthday was 10th Jan 1912. Frank and Winifred Vincent married in march 1912 and had Eva 1913. There is also another sister called Trixie Vincent. We have searched the records in the records office and online but can not find any trace of Arthur or trixie. Could they have had different parents??? Frank apparently died in WW1. We know that Arthur died on 25th Feb 1961 in Dartford at age 49. Any help with this mystery will be greatly appreciated!!

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(¯`*•.¸Scousenana.•*´¯) Report 17 Mar 2006 18:01

Hi Zoe, You helped me once before and hopefully can again. I'm on the brink of calling it a day with all this stuff :-( Anyway, i'll give you the info i have and then the part i need help with......sorry if it seems a bit long. Thomas Povey b 1896 Liverpool married to Elizabeth J Fletcher b 1896 Liverpool ( my grandparents) Marriage 1917 Liverpool James Povey b c 1870 Wem Shropshire married to Mary b c 1871 Liverpool (my G Grandparents.) marriage 1891 Liverpool Thomas Povey b c 1826 Holart Cheshire married to Mary b c 1838 Wem Shropshire (GGGrandparents) possible marriage 1868 Shrewsbury This is were i get muddled.... i had info sent to me about Thomas's parents giving me the names John Povey b c 1807 Malpass Cheshire married to Mary (Salisbury?) b c 1809 Cheshire and a possible marrige date 4 April 1825 Malpass Cheshire. Thomas b c 1826 Cheshire I also had info sent with the following info on 1861 census John Povey b c 1807 Cheshire head Mary b c 1809 Cheshire wife John b c 1832 Cheshire son Mary Povey b c 1856 Goldenhill Staffordshire grandaughter On the 1871 and 1881 the grandaughter is still living with John and Mary On the 1851 John and Mary live alone Are these the same family? (they sure look like it to me)and if so, how do i find out if there were more children. Sorry if i've gone on a bit, but i know if you can help me you will. Thank you for your time Best wishes Jean

Alison

Alison Report 17 Mar 2006 18:36

Hi Zoe FERRIER - South Wales Many thanks for looking. Evan Ferrier isn't in the parish records for St Dogmells or Cardigan. Perhaps he was born somewhere else in Wales but I do not know where. I've tried the Welsh Library and they couldn't find birth records for Evan Ferrier. I will keep looking - thank you for your help. Alison

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Mar 2006 18:48

Jean Who sent you the info? Do you not have Thomas' (your grandfather) birth or marriage cert? Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Mar 2006 18:53

Wendy Do you have Eva's parent's marriage cert? ~ if so does it say if she was a spinster? And if you got Arthur's marriage cert it should say fathers name and occupation! Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 20 Mar 2006 11:55

Nudge

Alan

Alan Report 20 Mar 2006 18:22

Hi Zoe Any luck with my mystery? The Evesons are an elusive lot ;o)

Breezy

Breezy Report 20 Mar 2006 19:27

Hi Zoe, many thanks for your offer, I have my George Nicholls, born 1846, in Waterbeach cambs, father Abraham, Mother Sarah, all living together in Waterbeach during 1851 and 1861census, but in 1871 census, I can only find Abraham living as a boarder, the rest of the family seem to have dissappeared, George is my GG/dad, this is why I am looking for him. Hi Zoe, My goodness, many many thanks for your research into my problem, i will work on the fact that Sarah must have died between 1861 and 1871 census, again many thanks for your help.

Susan

Susan Report 20 Mar 2006 20:37

Thanks for foffer to help My mystery is my grandmother Louisa Ewin b1883 in Kensington had my mother Joan 1923 and her 2 brothers Eric 1922 and Les1921 with no father on birth certificate. The children were fostered,and Louisa just seemed to disappear, we have looked in vain at deaths reigisters but cannot find one. Eric died in 1953 but cant find the death of Les. Hope you can help Sue

Zoe

Zoe Report 21 Mar 2006 13:07

Allan Elusive is not the word I'd use!..LOL No joy yet will keep trying Zo

Zoe

Zoe Report 21 Mar 2006 13:32

Ben Ok 1851 for ref for me Ohh some Gilson/Gillson's here aswell and Sarah has 2 other Children Head and John are Labourers Lavender Coe abt 1836 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife's Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire James Darkins abt 1841 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife's Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire James Gillson abt 1850 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire John Gillson abt 1822 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Mary Gillson abt 1823 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Abraham Nicholls abt 1819 Haslingfield, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1846 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Sarah Nicholls abt 1816 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1861 Head & William are Ag Labs James and George are Labourers James Darkins abt 1841 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son-in-law (must mean by law his son) Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Abraham Nicholls abt 1821 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1847 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Sarah Nicholls abt 1817 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire William Nicholls abt 1817 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Brother Waterbeach Cambridgeshire ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 ?Fin End? Head and George are Ag Labs John Gilson abt 1845 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Susan Gilson abt 1840 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire William J Gilson abt 1868 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1847 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Cousin Waterbeach Cambridgeshire If they are cousins that means John is Georges brother or Susan is the sister of one of his parents Source information: RG10/1578 Registration district: Chesterton Sub-registration district: Willingham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 82 Page: 15) Household schedule number: 83 GSU Number: 829803 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Lavender Georges Half brother Eliza Coe abt 1835 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Wicken Cambridgeshire Elizabeth Coe abt 1866 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire Harriett Coe abt 1862 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire Lavender Coe abt 1835 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Wicken Cambridgeshire Matilda Coe abt 1858 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Couldn't find Sarah or James Darkins her other son in 1871 On census for Abraham in 1871 doesn't say whether a Widow or not! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1901Nice big family for your George with middle names too HOW LUCKY Head is a Labourer Jabez Matthews abt 1858 Great Wilbraham, Cambridgeshire, England Boarder Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Eliza Nicholls abt 1858 Fulbourne, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Emily Kate Nicholls abt 1886 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Florence Alice Nicholls abt 1895 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1848 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Harold Henry Nicholls abt 1898 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Mary Ethel Nicholls abt 1890 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Matilda Sarah Nicholls abt 1893 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Richard Thos Nicholls abt 1881 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Source information: RG13/1522 Registration district: Chesterton Sub-registration district: Willingham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 83 Page: 6 Household schedule number: 40 Will leave rest to you (1881 and 1891 and BMD's) Hope this helps if you need more help just ask!! Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 21 Mar 2006 13:34

Susan Have you looked through marriages as sometimes people remarry and they don't want there children about(not nice) so give them up. Try looking for a marriage for her. Do you know that Les kept his birth name ~ where have you looked for his death? Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 22 Mar 2006 03:23

nudge

Cherry

Cherry Report 22 Mar 2006 07:47

Hi Zo, I just can't for the life of me work this one out and hope you might cast your all seeing eyes over it! This my William BRIGGS in 1881 Elizabeth Brigs abt 1865 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Daughter Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record Harriet Brigs abt 1836 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Wife Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record James Brigs abt 1864 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Son Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record William Brigs abt 1817 Shorncliff, Kent, England Head Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England This should be him in 1871 but he's got the wrong wife but all the right sons and daughters. (I know these were all their children from a rellies info) Elizabeth Briggs abt 1866 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record Emma Briggs abt 1868 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record George Briggs abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record James Briggs abt 1864 Portslade, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record Luley Briggs abt 1863 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record Margaret Briggs abt 1834 Wivelsfield, Sussex, England Wife Southwick Sussex View Record William Briggs abt 1826 St Chartford, Bedfordshire, England Head Southwick Sussex This is him on 1901 back to the right age, right wife and place of birth! William Briggs abt 1818 Chatham, Kent, England Head Portslade Sussex Harriett Briggs abt 1828 Ditchling, Sussex, England Wife Portslade Sussex View Record James Briggs abt 1863 Portslade, Sussex, England Son Portslade Sussex . Shall I assume that William and Harriet went on a world cruise leaving the kids with rellies or shall I keep looking for them under mistranscribed names? As an example here's my Grandad, James Arthur Briggs transcribed as Buggs on the 1891 with his Mum called Mary instead of Annie! George W Buggs abt 1885 Southwick, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record James A Buggs abt 1887 Southwick, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record Mary A Buggs abt 1862 Lancing, Sussex, England Wife Southwick Sussex View Record George Buggs abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, England Head Southwick Sussex Whaddya 'fink. Many,many thanks. Cherry