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oldbean Report 6 Aug 2014 10:36

Thank you so much Liz for all your hard work on my Sparkes family Romany look up. Sadly (I think) you have not found a connection but I am extremely lucky to have had your expertise in this quest. I shall be delving deeper as we may still have a link through my other side of the family but that's for later. GR are lucky to have you on the boards, thank you again.


Elizabeth Report 6 Aug 2014 12:57

Thomas Street,b Sunbury,middlesex 1791,married Jane born 1794 Sunbury Middlesex(see 1841 census@Chorlton,Sunbury,Staines,Essex showing Thomas with family including GEORGE Street,b 1826)
George child of above b Loughton,Essex1826,married Louisa Cooper b 1857 c @St Martins in the Field 1858
children of George and Louisa
1/Ada b Loughton,Essex 1882 death recorded ,Epping 1968
2/Elizabeth b Loughton 1881
3/Jemima b Loughton,1885,bap 1886 @St Martin in the Field
4/George b Loughton 1883
5/Alfred born Loughton 1888
6/Alice Beatrice,b Loughton 1875
7/Emily b Loughton 1876,bap @St Martin in the Field 1877,married William Alfred Oakham 1895,William b Loughton 1874-1923(1901 @Baldwyns Hill,Epping Essex)
--George Street (1826) in 1881 and 91@ 2 Standard Yd ,Loughton,Essex

from Liz :-) :-)

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 6 Aug 2014 15:34

Liz, that's brilliant. I didn't know the Sunbury connection and as it happens I live 15 mins from there!


Elizabeth Report 15 Aug 2014 08:43

Steven ---with regards to your Witcher family --I have pm`d you
take care
Liz :-) :-) :-D :-D


Elizabeth Report 15 Aug 2014 08:45

:-)Dear OLD BEAN
Thank you for your kind words


Elizabeth Report 15 Aug 2014 09:47

message for Greyghost
the only Doe`s that I have in the database that have the same names that you gave are the following
1/JOHN H DOE born ,in the forest(New Forest)1930,mothers maiden name BRODIE
John married 1955 to JEAN(IE) M COTTER @Southampton
residence-Thorney Hill,New Forest,gypsy encampment
Biz :-) :-)


martynsue Report 15 Aug 2014 13:25

hello Elizabeth,
could you please look to see if you have any LOCKHARTS in your records,

I cannot find any birth records for james lockhart born c1780.

I know he married Theodosia day in 1802 in the midlands and died 1843 in burton upon trent,

not a lot to go on but this is all I have,one of his sons was a hawker .


Elizabeth Report 16 Aug 2014 08:17

:-D :-D for Martynsue--data says that a member of this family recalls(usually means that someone from the family was interviewed)-and taken from that interview
James Lockhart born 30/4/1780,Scotland,baptised ' Pettinairn,Lanarkshire 7/5/1780(check it out @film no 1066603 ref 2 15n),died Burton Upon Trent ,Staffs 1843,burial at St Mary 15/3/1843,Tutbury(Staffs burials D.3353/1/9)-married THEODOCIA DAY,b 1780 bap @ St Philips Birmingham ON Baptismal rec states parents has William & Hannah,she died July 1/4 1839,married @ St Mary,Tutbury 13/12/1802
children of James and Theodocia
1/Thomas 1804 2/Mary1806 3/William 1808 4/Ann 5/Robert 1813
6/James 1815 7/Elizabeth 1817 8/Jane 1819 9/Anne 1821 10/Charles 1824
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


martynsue Report 16 Aug 2014 14:10

thank you so much Elizabeth,this is the correct family,
I will start to look at the Scottish records for the parents and any other siblings he may have had.
I have been looking for James's birth for years,thank you for taking the time to help .


martynsue Report 17 Aug 2014 16:45

Elizabeth got a lead for me after years of looking so nudging up the thread.


Elizabeth Report 17 Aug 2014 18:39

Thank you and Kushti Bok with the research,come back to me if you get stuck :-D


oldbean Report 18 Aug 2014 09:05

Elizabeth has kindly found my information a couple of weeks ago, I have been extremely pleased with the information she has passed on. I am not sure why my request is still showing. Thank you again Elizabeth.



Elizabeth Report 18 Aug 2014 10:20

message for Oldbean
thank you for your kind words,they are much appreciated
take care :-)


greyghost Report 18 Aug 2014 16:02

Apologies for not replying to your last snippet Liz, haven't been at the computer for a few days. The news that John married when at Thorney Hill encampment has opened another line of enquiry with an offer of help from someone who grew up there. Thank you so much for your help.


Elizabeth Report 18 Aug 2014 17:36

Glad that the info I was able to give you has got you in touch with the possibility of further help
take care x


martynsue Report 18 Aug 2014 18:42

hello Elizabeth,
did the romany families not name the mother on the baptism records,
I have found what may be james lockharts siblings all born in pettinain lanakshare,
I have found what may be a marriage for the father john lockhart.
john lockhart married jean purdie 17-03-1776 in pettinain.
this marriage is in again with the same people & date but at carstairs Lanarkshire.
is there any way to find the mothers name to connect them all together.
any suggestions on this would be most welcome.
thank you


Elizabeth Report 19 Aug 2014 08:21

:-)Hello Martynsue
Scotland were notorious for Not including the mothers surname on the baptism records-I think that the clue to your kin is Pettinairn,especially since the same marriage is entered again at Carstairs(this sometimes did happen with the families moving around)-


martynsue Report 19 Aug 2014 12:51

thank you so much Elizabeth.


meefy Report 19 Aug 2014 22:59

I am researching what apparently was a gypsy family, but I could do with some help where possible. Sadly the information I have is rather limited, and it is quite recent.

The main person I am trying to find is Alfred Elijah Leonard Hill, but it seems he has used vary different combinations of the name. I known he had one daughter called Sylvia Elizabeth b1934 possibly with a woman called Edith. This was in the Winson Green area of Birmingham.

I am unaware of a birth year for him or anything else, other than the fact he took part in boxing matches, but sadly nothing else. I was wondering whether this was in your remit or not?


Elizabeth Report 23 Aug 2014 08:35

:-) :-)Hi Meefy
I knew that I had come across the name Alfred Elijah somewhere,and after searching I found the information, it`s around 15 years old,and was not included in my data because I could find no connection with the romany`s the gentlemen that was looking for Alfreds family gave the following info at the time I checked it for proof and decided to keep it in a separate file-hope it helps-