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Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 3 May 2009 00:57

found no match for Gwladye, or emily both surname greenhalgh

but possibility of a divorce?

can we search divore records anywhere online?

am off to bed soon so may not reply untill tommorrow

thanks guys

Annie x

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 3 May 2009 01:30

Annie

The Oxford Dictionary of First Names suggests the spelling is Gwladys or Gwladus, an old form of Gladys. Sure enough if you search freeBMD Births for Gwl* Jones those are the two main spellings that come up, with the occasional Gwladya. It is a very popular name - I tried searching on just Gwl* and there were too many results to display!!

Julie

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 3 May 2009 13:47

RECAP

"Im trying to find info on my grandparents
Edward Stanley GREENHALGH connected to wales??
Yvonne GORE connected to Cheltenham
(Family recollection of uncle Ron & Uncle George- unsure of which side though)
they had two kids Michael and Patricia "

...............................................................................................................................................
FACT;
BIRTH
Name: Michael P Greenhalgh
Mother's Maiden Surname: Gore
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1953
Registration district: Bethnal G
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 111


FACT:-
Went to Registry office today- got Michaels certificate....
Info-
Father STANLEY EDWARD GREENHALGH
mother Yvonne May Greenhalgh (previously GORE) So I think the Yvonne who died in 1975 was her, have requested a copy of death certifiacte-
Fathers proffesion Potman (Public house) of 12 Kerbela Street, bethnal green.
also abve is place of residence.

FACT;
DEATH
Name: Michael Phillip Greenhalgh
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1953
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1990
Age at death (estimated): 37
Registration district: Tower Hamlets
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1087

FACT;
BIRTH
Name: Patricia A Gore
Mother's Maiden Surname: Gore
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1948
Registration district: Paddington
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 309 (click to see others on page
.......................................................................................................................................................

Could Edward Stanley really be Stanley Edward Greenhalgh?
Births Sep 1914
GREENHALGH Stanley E...mmn Birdwhistle... Conway 11b 830

CONWAY REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Caernarvonshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (succeeded by Conway Valley district).
Sub-districts : Bettws y Coed; Colwyn Bay; Conway; Creuddyn; Llandudno; Llechweddisaf; Yspytty.


DEATH
Stanley Edward Greenhalgh dob 27 June 1915
Poplar
4th qtr 1971
vol 5d page 1343


BIRTHS AROUND THE TIME OF STANLEY EDWARD GREENHALGH'S DOB 27/06/1915
GREENHALGH Stanley mmn Brown Bolton.8c 726 4 1915
GREENHALGH Stanley Tootle mmnChorley.8e 755 3 1915
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GREENHALGH Stanley E mmn Birdwhistle Conway.11b 830 3 1914 ( this is the only one which has the Welsh connection that you have mentioned in your opening of this thread) and ( the only one to have the second initial of "E" that figures in all other records)

It is highly likely that his birth was registered in the 3rd qtr (Jul-Aug-Sept) as his date of birth was at the end of June and.........it is just as possible that the person who registered the death got the year wrong by 1 year.


POSSIBLE 1ST MARRIAGE

Here is a possible 1st marriage for a Stanley E Greenhalgh in Denbighshire

Stanley E Greenhalgh.............Emily G Jones
St Asaph
3rd qtr 1937
vol11b page 468

FOR INFO ONLY:
From: St Asaph, Denbighshire
To: Conway Castle, Conwy
Distance: 17.7 miles



BIRTH OF EMILY G JONES
Births Dec 1912
Jones Emily G... mmn Cornwall... St.Asaph ...11b 528


ST. ASAPH REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Denbighshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1974 (succeeded by Rhuddlan district).
Sub-districts : Abergele; Denbigh; Rhyl; St. Asaph.


POSSIBLE CHILD FROM THIS MARRIAGE
England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Penelope Greenhalgh
Name: Penelope Greenhalgh
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1943
Registration district: St Asaph
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11b
Page Number: 241

.........................................................................................................................................................
DEATH
Yvonne May Greenhalgh dob 23 June 1919
Poplar/B Grn
3rd qtr 1975
vol 14 page 1173

Birth and marriage of YVONNE MAY GORE as yet not found.
.................................................................................................................................................

I think that all the other Jones/Gore/Greenhalgh combinations are red herrings as the only mention of a Jones into the equation is a possible first marriage of Stanley Edward Greenhalgh to Emily G Jones in 1937.
Forgive me if I am speaking out of turn, but I think that the thread is now getting a little confusing. Perhaps it would be wise to wait for the certificates to arrive before any more speculation.

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 3 May 2009 23:08

GREENHALGH Stanley Jones Oldham 8d 2513
Marriages Sep 1935

another possible marraige-

I'm just confused as to which certs i should order?

Brenda- you are the only one who understands this thread better than me and I hope you can advise me which would be best

I have orderded Yvonnes Death cert
and patricias b cert- Patricia is 99% Fact- found her marraige to her husband and she was down as a GORE there so FACT
i have michaels b cert and d cert So michael is a FACT

where should i go next?

Thanks

Annie x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 3 May 2009 23:38

Hi there Annie,

If it were me, I would order the death certificate for Stanley Edward Greenhalgh for a start. Then perhaps take a chance on a birth certificate for him. You know that I lean towards the Stanley E mmn Birdwhistle and that is because apart from the birthdate being one year out on the death reference all the rest appears to fit with your opening message ie Welsh connection, initials S E. Also note that on all the possible records that you have established so far, he is always Stanley Edward and not just Stanley. If on the birth certificate the date of birth is 27th June then you would know if it was correct. Of course, you could land up spending £7 on a wrong one!

Brenda


Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 3 May 2009 23:50

If the birth certificate did tie up with the death certificate, then I would purchase the possible first marriage of Stanley E Greenhalgh to Emily G Jones. If the given father on the marriage certificate matched the father on the birth certificate then you would know again if you were correct. BUT i wouldn't rush into it before establishing whether or not the birth and death matched up first.

Maybe others on the board have other thoughts on this and could advise you accordingly.

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 4 May 2009 00:00

the death cert i will go and pick up as the bow registry office is 5mins from my house- then i'll have it quicker-

i will order the birth cert you mentioned an go from there as possibly a typo in the records? as we are only human after all.

I will re-post info as and when i recieve it

thanks again Brenda & every body else who has taken the time to help me on this one! Really is a puzler eh? :D

Thanks

Annie x X x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 4 May 2009 01:00

Just thinking out aloud about Yvonne May Gore and the fact that a birth cannot be found so far.........................do you think that perhaps she might have been born in another country? I do not have any idea how to find out though! Maybe , as a nurse, she came over to help during the war and met Mr Greenhalgh? Sheer speculation!

Does anyone else on the boards know where to go next?

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 4 May 2009 10:23

These are records held at Kew......does anyone think that they may help?

Series details DT 11

Quick reference Full details
Browse from here

Context

DT Records of the General Nursing Council for England and Wales
Division within DT Records of the Registrar of the General Nursing Council for England and Wales and other registration records

Record Summary
Title
General Nursing Council for England and Wales: Registration: The Roll of Nurses
Covering dates 1944-1973
Availability Open
Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Add further information to this Catalogue entry on Your Archives or see what other users may have written

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DT 10 contains the bound volumes of the Register of Nurses (SRNs) 1921-1973. Although the Register was opened in 1921 it includes details of nurses who had qualified previous to this. Printed nominal indexes are held under references DT 10/1-56 . DT 10 also contains the list of nurses which was opened under the 1943 Nurses Act to allow those who had failed to register under the provisions of the 1919 Act to do so (DT 10/201 ). The Roll of Nurses (SENs) which was opened in 1944 is held in DT 11 . Both male and female assistant nurses, as they were called then, are included on the same Roll, but assistant nurses who worked in mental hospitals were not deemed to be eligible for inclusion. The change in the name to State Enrolled Nurse took place in 1961. In 1962 the Roll of Mental Nurses was established. The covering dates for DT 11 are 1944 to 1973 and printed nominal indexes are also included (DT 11/1-9 ).

Both the Register and the Roll contain information of use to the family historian and both are open without restriction. The type of information given includes: full name, qualifications, where the individual trained, and home address. Any alterations to this information may also be recorded, such as change of name upon marriage, change of address, date of death and any removals from the Register of Roll on disciplinary or other grounds.

Brenda

Tania

Tania Report 4 May 2009 12:24

yvonne m gore mite of had a different surname wen born ..

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 4 May 2009 12:45

Find my past
does overseas births of british subjects

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 4 May 2009 14:00

Hi Annie,
As you have been in contact with Patricia Gore, would it be possible to find anymore information from her? Perhaps she is able to tell you the names of her grandparents ( Yvonne's parents)and this could help in finding Yvonne's roots. Does she actually know where Yvonne was born?

Brenda

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 4 May 2009 14:23

Good thinking Brenda,
Also how about if yvonne had any siblings?
Still following this but didnt want to muddy the water too much.
viv

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 4 May 2009 14:52

H Viv,

There is mention of "Uncle Ronald " and "Uncle George" at the beginning of the thread but on whose side of the family? Have found a birth and a death for a Ronald L Gore in the Cheltenham area but unfortunately it is not an uncommon combination of christian and surname. See below:-

BIRTH
Jun 1922
Gore Ronald L mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 721

DEATH
GORE Ronald Louis born 22-MAR-1923 CHELTENHAM 22 1594 DEC 1985 12 85

again, they may be different people as the birth is a year out!


or this one:

BIRTH
Mar 1932 Gore Ronald C mmn Ward Chipping N 3a 1842

DEATH
GORE Ronald Cyril born 18-FEB-1932 CHELTENHAM 479/1C C72D 151 Oct 2005

also these two:

Births Sep 1907
Gore Ronald William Poplar 1c 520

Births Jun 1931
Gore Ronald mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 576


WINCHCOMB REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (succeeded by Cheltenham and North Cotswold districts).




I was hesitating putting them on the boards as I didn't want to confuse as well.

Brenda

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 4 May 2009 15:20

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)

Gore Audrey G Penfound Portsmouth 2b 817
Gore Brenda J Howling Downham 4b 414
Gore Eileen M Vislen King's L 4b 398
Gore Ellen L Jefferies Shardlow 7b 899
Gore Hilda M Herbert Newbury 2c 415
Gore Lilian R Palmer Pancras 1b 168
Gore May Jones Swansea 11a 2003
Gore Mildred A Byford W. Ham 4a 21
Gore Olive Fowler Chorley 8e 593
Gore Phyllis I C Edwards Medway 2a 1154
Gore Rebecca C Dyer Richmond S 2a 811

I wonder if she was adopted or didnt like her christian name and changed it.

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 4 May 2009 15:33

There is a May Gore in that list - I posted it earlier - but she can be discounted as she died the same year. There are plenty of Yvonnes and Yvonne M born 1919 *if* she wasn't actually born Gore.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 4 May 2009 15:48

I agree julie
and I did wonder about this one.

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Potten Yvonne M Potten Brentford 3a 184

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 4 May 2009 21:53

hi guys- sorry no replying today! was laying turf! (I know oh what fun eh)

Ok Uncle Ron & George No idea what side- just a vague recolection from patricia of them- when i pressed further she said she didint know.

(Then this is the woman who told me she was a greenhalgh and who is clearly not- so probabaaly not the most reliable source of info)

I did a 1901 & 1911 census search and found a few Greenhalgh (children who could match...) but again didnt add them as to yet again not to confuse others (and me.)

I would be interested in finding out more about the penelope- as my brother in law said he thinks there is a LIVING aunt- living in Teviot Street Poplar (not too far away from me) so possibly i could find her- any clues as to how i might goes about researching her a little more...?

I think the Ronald gore could be interesting to look in to....

start of thread Cheltenenham area for GORE...?

as we have found no Yvonne;s birth it does not rule this out....

thanks again guys- We will endeavour to find out this puzzle wont we-

I am just sooo gratefull to everybody who is taking the time to aid me- It really is the most helpfull and friendly forum and the kindness you all have shown is overwhelming and I think you all should be commeneded for all your hard work.

Annie x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 5 May 2009 10:24

FWD:
HI I REMEMBER RONNIE GORE HE LIVED IN CRABTREE PLACE HAD THREE CHILDREN SILVIA (I KNEW HER AS BUNTIN)AND EILEEN GORE AND A SON WHOSE NAME I CANT RECALL NOW I THINK IT WAS CHRIS!BUT NOT SURE I HAVENT SEEN EILEEN FOR A WHILE BUT I DO KNOW RONNIE MARRIED ANNIE BUNTING MAYBE SILVIE WAS HERS BUT I DEFINATELY REMEMBER A RONNIE GORE HE REMINDE ME OF THE ONE WHO USE TO DO LENNY THE LION WELL THATS HOW I REMEMBER HIM I WAS ONLY YOUNG THEN I DO REMEMBER ANOTHER DAUGHTER CHRISTINE AND I SEE HER USUALLLY ...AND I THINK HER GRAND CHILDREN .....REGARDS SHIRLEY GIBBONS (NEE TEAL)

Thank you Shirley

had this sent to me via PM yest- just thought I'd update
on my way to get stans death cert now will update soon

Annie
x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 5 May 2009 11:45

Death Cert: FACT:

D&P of death- 2/11/1971 Bethnal green Hospital, B Green London

NAME: Stanley Edward Greenhalgh

DOB: 27th June 1915
PLACE: MANCHESTER

Occupation: Printer's Packer

Address: 8 Connett House, Teesdale Street, B Green London

Name of informant: Yvonne May Greenhalgh (wife of deceased)
END OF FACT


sooooo.... interesting this eh? So possible the Stanley Greenhalgh MMN TOOTLE matches? Chorley is not far from manchester-

and we cannot dismiss the marriage either as on multi map chorley is above wales?

Thanks Annie x