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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 11 May 2009 23:49

1901 England Census
about Arthur I Gore (should be Arthur J Gore)
Name: Arthur I Gore
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Gretton Christchurch and Winchcombe St Peter
Town: Gretton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Winchcombe
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur I Gore 28 General Labourer
Maria Gore 27
Charles I L Gore 4
Archibald R Gore 3
Beatrice I Gore 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2456; Folio: 123; Page: 16.



1881 England Census
about Arthur J. Gore
Name: Arthur J. Gore
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenham, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Greenham
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address: Folly West Side
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Thatcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gore 37 General Labourer
Emily Gore 34
Anna M. Gore 11
Arthur J. Gore 8
Harry G. Gore 6
Herbert E. Gore 3
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 49; Page: 6; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341309.

DEATH of Emily Gore born 1847/8
Deaths Mar 1911
Gore Emily age 63 Winchcomb 6a 296

DEATH of John Gore born 1844
Deaths Mar 1925
GORE John age 81 Winchcomb 6a 553

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 May 2009 00:00

1891 England Census
about Maria Knight
Name: Maria Knight
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles W
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchcombe
Town: Winchcombe
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:Hailes Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education
Employment status:
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Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W Knight 55 Blacksmith
Charlotte Knight 59
Maria Knight 17
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2039; Folio 75; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097149.


1881 England Census
about Maria Knight
Name: Maria Knight
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles W.
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: New Inn Hailes Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W. Knight 45 Master Blacksmith & Inn Keeper
Charlotte Knight 47
Sarah Knight 21
Charlotte A. Knight 15
William Knight 12
James Knight 9
Maria Knight 7
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2564; Folio: 87; Page: 5; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341618.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Charlotte Knight
Name: Charlotte Knight
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 61
District: Winchcomb
County: Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 267

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 00:00

Thank you brenda & viv for all your hard work and continued help on this brain teaser!!

I do not know where to go next....?

thanks guys and for everybody who has helped on this one!

Annie x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 20:34

Hi guys-

Just wondering after some direction as to what i should do now? Any advice welcome...

thanks

Annie x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 20:51

Births Jun 1919
Gore Phyllis Greening Winchcomb 6a 536


Do you think this could be Yvonne Gore??

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 May 2009 20:51

Hi Annie,

Have you thought about any of the information contained in the reply at the top of this page? There are a number of bits of info that are very close to the family that you are looking for. For instance, Letitia Queenie Gore known as Queenie, Frederick George Gore (who died not long before Yvonne just as Patricia said) Probablty known as George if the rest of the family are anything to go by as most of them are known by their middle name.Even their father married in the name of John Gore when his correct name was Arthur John Gore. A sister called Daphne ( possible that Queenie named her daughter after her) And then there is Elvina E M Gore born 3rd qtr but in 1917, It has already been shown that mistakes are made when registrations take place and perhaps this is one also. The name Elvina and Yvonne sound similar ...well sort of..........and perhaps she chose to be known as Yvonne.

There are so many "coincidences" that I feel inclined to give this family some thought.

Brenda

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 12 May 2009 21:03

I vote with Brenda as she has just put into words all that I was thinking.
yvonne is a much more accepable GOOD english name than Elvina and there is an m in there for May.
Maybe the second name was even less to her liking than elvina.
Although to be sure about Elvina, the marriages would need to be gone through to be sure she didnt appear anywhere, and if not then the deaths to make sure.
But there is no ronald?

How about trying to find out if the surname Knight rings a bell with Pat?

Back later,off out to the pub for quiz night.
viv

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 May 2009 21:18

Maybe............one of these could be Ronald:-


BIRTH
Jun 1922
Gore Ronald L mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 721


Births Jun 1931
Gore Ronald mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 576


and just maybe he could be the son of one of the Gore daughters born to John and Maria.

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 21:24

I did see all the info- i have copied and pasted it all to word and am looking through it all and got lost!! :D

I didn't know which or what certs to order if any?

I'm lost......

Enjoy the quiz!! :D

Thanks Annie x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 May 2009 21:43

Annie, with reference to Elvina possibly Yvonne, just as Viv says:-

"Although to be sure about Elvina, the marriages would need to be gone through to be sure she didnt appear anywhere, and if not then the deaths to make sure."

If after that, I would think about sending for her birth certificate and if the day and month (not the year) agree with her dob on her death certificate then it would possible to say that you have found her.

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 21:53

ok will do will post any thing i find

thanks

annie x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 May 2009 22:11

Havent found any marriages fo an Elvina on freebmd up to 1935 and have now been looking on familyrelatives from 1936..........now up to last qtr 1948

no deaths anywhere for Elvina on freebmd!

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 22:33

ok have done a Free BMD search and drew a blank-

I will look through a more thorough search through GR tomorrow,

night all

Annie x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 12 May 2009 22:35

i did my search from 1930 as elvina would have been 16 just old enough to marry... sorry did not see your reply before i posted

Thanks

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 15 May 2009 17:49

Hi guys i have searched and searched and drew up zero...... sob sob :'( So i have no idea what to do now? Do i order elvinas cert? how can i confirm it is her?

Thanks

Annie x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 15 May 2009 19:13

By seeing if the date of birth matches her death one,just the date and month will be enough ,the same as stanleys.
viv

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 15 May 2009 19:20

What have you got to lose by ordering her certificate.?

If her date of birth is the same date, same month but 2 years earlier than on the death certificate then there is every possibility that it is her.

Other info to take into consideration re Elvina:

(1) She had a sister known as Queenie (as Patricia has told you)
(2) She had a brother Frederick GEORGE Gore who died not many years before she did ( just as Patricia said)
(3) She was born in the Cheltenham district
(4) None of the family appeared to be known by their first names so it is possible that she wanted to be known as Yvonne.
(5) She had a sister Daphne that maybe Queenie named her daughter after?
(6) There are a couple of Ronald Gores born in Winchcomb, Cheltenham with mmn Gore that could possibly be the son of one of her older sisters so therefore not a brother but a nephew perhaps.


If it were me. I would take a chance on the certificate just as you did on Stans.

Brenda

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 15 May 2009 20:10

Other leads to follow:

Wait until the 1911 census is available for Wales and see if Stanley had any siblings.

Stanley's first marriage cert. Might be a sibling as a witness.

Rose

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 15 May 2009 20:19

Cor Brenda
Wish I could sum up and put the case to the magistrate as well as you.
viv
LOL x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 16 May 2009 21:13

ok i have ordered both certs mentioned.... so will update as and when they arrive.

Guys I just want to say a HUGE THANK YOU for all of your time and effort on this one! i had no idea where to start digging on this one :)

Annie x