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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:09

Hi Auntie

Just managed to get some of those Dockland records on one screen, I have not followed the whole thing and cannot spend long onit. I will post some possibles for you to sort.


This is a shipbuilding related occupation

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 15

Month: August

Year: 1759

Forename: Anne

Othernames: Lowe

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Heath

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 34 Days Old

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:14

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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ANNE LOWE HAGGIS Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 AUG 1759 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: HEATH HAGGIS Family
Mother: MARY




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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:16

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 06

Month: April

Year: 1766

Forename: Bartholomew

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Heath

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 47 Days Old

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:17

probably a different generation

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 14

Month: July

Year: 1822

Forename: Eliza

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Thomas

Fathers occupation: Mariner

Mothers forenames: Elizabeth

Birth date: 14/04/1821

Address: Limehouse

Location of church: Limehouse

Parish: St Anne

Church address: Commercial Road

Entry No: 222

Source Ref: X097/275

Transcriber Note:

Original Note :



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Record source: Docklands Ancestors

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:19

Aha

Heath's father and presumably short lived brother also called heath



1. HEATH HAGGIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUN 1761 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

2. HEATH HAGGIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAR 1764 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

3. ANNE LOWE HAGGIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 AUG 1759 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

4. SARAH HAGGIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 MAY 1763 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

5. BARTHOLOMEW HAGGIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 APR 1766 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:21

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 21

Month: June

Year: 1761

Forename: Heath

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Heath

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 21 Days Old



Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 25

Month: March

Year: 1764

Forename: Heath

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Heath

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 25 Days Old

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:23

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 10

Month: May

Year: 1763

Forename: Sarah

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: Heath

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 2 Days Old

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:25

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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HEATH HAGGIS Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY EYRES Family
Marriage: 13 AUG 1775 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England


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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:30

maybe connected?


Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 20

Month: September

Year: 1789

Forename: Susannah

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: John

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Ann

Birth date:

Address:

Location of church: Limehouse

Parish: St Anne

Church address: Commercial Road

Entry No: 929

Source Ref: NX097/275

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 21 days old


LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:30

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 21

Month: May

Year: 1785

Forename: Mary

Othernames:

Surname: Haggis

Fathers forenames: John

Fathers occupation: Caulker

Mothers forenames: Mary

Birth date:

Address: Ropemaker's Fields

Location of church: Limehouse

Parish: St Anne

Church address: Commercial Road

Entry No: 250

Source Ref: NX097/275

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 22 days old

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:48

THOMAS HAGGIS, JOHN WILD, Theft > theft from a specified place, 6th July 1803.


Reference Number: t18030706-57
Offence: Theft > theft from a specified place
Verdict: Guilty > theft under 40s; Not Guilty
Punishment: Transportation
Related Material: Associated Records
User Wiki: Corrections; Add Information
See original 575. THOMAS HAGGIS and JOHN WILD were indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 26th of May , a coat, value 30s. a pair of breeches, value 15s. and a pair of stockings, value 3s. the property of Daniel Fitzpatrick ; and a silver watch, value 5l. the property of John Murray , in the dwelling-house of Daniel Fitzpatrick .

CATHARINE FITZPATRICK sworn. - I live in Wapping-street ; the prisoners lodged with me: On the 26th of May, Haggis came to me for the key of the door to get his victuals; I gave it him; I followed him home for the key, thinking he would not lock the door; I went in, and found some things that I left in a sea-chest upon the floor in the lower room; there was a silver watch in it belonging to Murray, and my husband's cloaths; I had seen them all safe in the morning, and some of the prisoners' cloaths were in my care along with them; I went to the chest, not suspecting any thing was gone, but on opening it missed the things.

MOSES MOSES sworn. - I am headborough of the parish of St. George; my back window looks out fronting the prosecutor's house. On Friday the 26th of May, I heard a noise, and heard the prosecutrix say, she had been robbed; I saw Wild come out of the door, and almost at the same time I saw the other prisoner's head out of the window up stairs; Wild walked away, and the prosecutrix pursued him; I went up stairs, and found Haggis hid in a closet; I brought him into the street, where I found Wild, who was taken; I asked them what they had done with the things; Haggis said, if I would go with them, he would produce them; he took me to the closet, and delivered me this bag and watch.(Produces them.)(The watch and cloaths identified.)

Haggis's defence. My landlord gave me liberty to try the cloaths, as I intended to buy them; I went home soon that day, and the chest was left open for the purpose of trying them on; in trying them, I found the watch in the pocket.


See original Wild's defence. I know nothing of it.

Haggis, GUILTY, aged 16,

Of stealing to the value of 39s.

Transported for seven years .

Wild, NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex Jury, before the Lord Chief Baron

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 12:50

bit early yet but may be related and I would not want to lose it

from national archives

Image details

Description Will of Thomas Haggis, lately belonging to His Majesty's Ship Pearl and now belonging to His Majesty's Galley Frigate James of Bedford, Bedfordshire
Date 10 July 1679
Catalogue reference PROB 11/360
Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury
Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers
Piece Name of Register: King Quire Numbers: 66 - 124
Image contains 1 will of many for the catalogue reference

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 22 Dec 2009 19:24

How on earth!!! Splutter, splutter!! How on earth did to managed to get those Docklands Parish Records to come up on one screen. Please, don't tell me you paid for them through the web site!!! I could only manage to get the one about Thomas Heath Haggis on one screen, and I had to pay for that. I gave up after about two hours of going through each parish register one at a time. Sometimes I found one name, other times nothing. became very frustrated with it.

You are very clever. Thank you for that. You do realize that this is all connected with the Carter/Kimberley family. The family now goes back Carter/Green/Haggis. Step by step I am managing to work back through the generations.

It is clever people like you who are making my job easier. I really appreciate your assistance and knowledge.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 22 Dec 2009 19:30

Re the criminal offence. On the Ancestry image I think it says his transportation was commuted to serving in the Army ?? I know he married Elizabeth Brandish in 1814 when he was 25. I can only assume that this criminal record may be him and that he served in the Navy. From 16 years to 25 years is 9 years so his 7 years of punishment would have been completed.

Heath Haggis. I have him marrying Elizabeth Halbart in 1788. The name Elizabeth fits in with the mother of Thomas Heath Haggis as shown on his birth in 1789.

Elizabeth Halbart (Heath's wife) married Matthew Pemberton in 1804. Matthew Pemberton figures very largely as a witness in every marriage, etc, event for these families for many years.

I have been looking for Heath Haggis death because on Elizabeth Halbart/haggis marriage to MP it says she was a widow. Given your info about Heath Haggis marrying Mary Ayres in 1775. He must have married twice, once to Mary A, then to Elizabeth B. Then he died and Elizabeth B/H married Matthew P.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 20:37

I think Heath and Mary are the parents of Heath and son Heath also marries twice.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 21:00

So do you have this one


1841 census - household transcription
Address: New Alley, St Anne Limehouse, Tower Hamlets
PEMBERTON, Mathew M 75 1766 Middlesex VIEW
ESTERFORD, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Edward M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Martha F 0 (4 months) 1841 Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 21:02

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 12

Month: January

Year: 1766

Forename: Matthew

Othernames:

Surname: Pemberton

Fathers forenames: William

Fathers occupation: Shipwright

Mothers forenames: Hannah

Birth date:

Address: Poplar

Location of church: Stepney

Parish: St Dunstan

Church address: Stepney High Street

Entry No:

Source Ref: X024/016

Transcriber Note:

Original Note : 28 Days Old



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Record source: Docklands Ancestors

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Dec 2009 21:13

WILLIAM PEMBERTON Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 16 JUN 1754 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM PEMBERTON Family
Mother: HANNAH






SAMUEL PEMBERTON Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 13 MAY 1760 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM PEMBERTON Family
Mother: HANNAH


MARY PEMBERTON Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 MAR 1757 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

Parents:
Father: WILLM. PEMBERTON Family
Mother: HANNA



AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 23 Dec 2009 03:10

Now you are in the middle of the mystery. I forget exactly how many times Matthew Pemberton appears in census and as a witness to events for these families. I will have to make a list. I know at least he was

Witness to the marriage between Thomas Heath Haggis and Eliza Brandish in 1814.

Witness at the marriage of Hannah Haggis and Edward Green in 1837.

You have him in the 1841 census with Edward, Hannah, hannah and Martha Green.

He married Elizabeth Haggis nee Halbart (widow of Heath) in 1804.

I have his death in 1849, but have also seen another Family tree with a Matthew Pemberton who dies in a Scandanavian country later than that.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Dec 2009 09:07

Can you contact the tree owner to find their source of documentation?