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Aunty's New GREEN Thread

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Paul

Paul Report 3 Jan 2010 10:52

Sorry, the bit I cannot connect is the Hannah Maria Green dau of Hannah Maria Green and George Arthur Green. I don't think they are related.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 11:08

morning aunty

Can we please go back to Charles Edward Carter and work back from there to confirm what you know. It is possible we have the wrong green family. They are nearly as bad as smiths.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 11:16

Hi Ladykira, I have thought that constantly. Can I open my tree for you to view?? I will GedCom the stuff from Ancestry into my GR tree. That way you can see the connections. There is one problem with the tree which GR are working on to correct. I will explain it to you. Let me know if you are agreeable. It will take me about ten minutes to set it up for you.

Edited. OK It is done. It is best looked at by selecting a particular person. If you choose to view the whole tree. Martha Green and Henry Bassinger are not connected on the screen. If you select either of them to view all the other people fall into place.

I have to go to bed. I can't stay awake any longer. Catch you in about four or five hours time.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 13:44



Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
Bassenger Elizabeth Ann W Ham 4a 239
CARTER Charles Edward W. Ham 4a 239


1901 census -
Address: 34, Clarence Road, West Ham
CARTER, Charles Head Married M 27 1874 Leading Seaman H M S
Sunderland
Durham
CARTER, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 24 1877 Tailoress
Limehouse
London

You do not have Elizabeths death yet

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 13:50

On your tree you have Elizabeth as 1864 with a child by a previous unknown man born 1883, This does not make sense if census is right,

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:03

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)

Carter Elizabeth Ann 25 Glanford B. 7a 420

right age but nowhere near last known address

but we do know he was a sailor and they may have travelled

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:26

I cannot find her on 1881 or 91

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:34

this would fit in with your dates

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BASSENGER, Cha
Address: 89, Stainsby Rd, Limehouse


BUDD, James D Head Married M 29 1852 Lighterman
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, Charlotte Wife Married F 23 1858
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, James D Son Single M 3 1878
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, Cha Edwd Son Single M 1 1880
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BLAKE, Geo Boarder Single M 27 1854 Ghterman
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Henry Boarder Single M 19 1862 Housepainter
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Martha Lodger Head Married F 40 1841 Tailoress
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Elizh Lodger Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Serv
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Cha Lodger Son Single M 14 1867 Errand Boy
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah Lodger Widow F 62 1819 Tailoress
Poplar
Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:37

as would this. right occupation but 9 years out in age

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BASSENGER, Elizabeth A
Address: 38, Malmesbury Road, West Ham

BASSENGER, Martha A Head Widow F 49 1842 Tailoress
Limehouse
London VIEW
BASSENGER, Hannah E Daughter Single F 27 1864 Tailoress
Limehouse
London VIEW
BASSENGER, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 25 1866 Tailoress
Limehouse
London VIEW
BASSENGER, Charles Son Single M 24 1867 Tailor
Limehouse
London VIEW
BASSENGER, Annie H Daughter F 7 1884
King's Cross
London VIEW
LOCKERMANN, Madalena Boarder Single F 25 1866 Tailoress
Hanover
Germany Luderhausur

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:42

interesting

Parish Records Collection - burial
First name(s): Charles Green

Last name: BASSENGER

Date of burial: 11 May 1944

Age at death: 77

Calculated year of birth: 1867

Place of burial: South Benfleet

Dedication: St Mary the Virgin

County: Essex

Notes:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

South Benfleet St Mary the Virgin:

Denomination: Anglican

Coverage: 1573 - 1960

Number of entries: 6,176

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Record source: National Burial Index

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 14:45

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BASSENGER, Martha
Address: 180 Beckton Road Vic Docks E
BASSENGER, Martha Head Widow F 70 1841 Limehouse London VIEW
BASSENGER, Annie Daughter Single F 27 1884 Buttonhole Machinst Tailoring Limehouse London VIEW
CARTER, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 45 1866 Military Tailoring Limehouse London


oh puts cat among pigeons and hides

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 15:18

where is Janey? she should see this.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 19:46

Oh you are very good at this. Regarding Elizabeth Bassenger's child who is listed on the census as the child of Elizabeth's mother. I went and got the certificate. It reads 16 Jun 1883, Annie Henrietta, Girl. Name surname and maiden surname of mother, Elizabeth Ann Bassenger, a Domestic Servant. Nothing in name and surname of father, nothing in occupation of father. Informant is EA Bassenger mother, 155 Kings Cross Road Pancras.

The census entry drove me crazy because of the age of Martha Amelia Bassenger nee Green, who was Elizabeth's mother and Annie's grandmother. Elizabeth also appears to have underestimated her age on almost everything she did. I have the certificate for her marriage to Charles Edward.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 19:50

I have just menioned the age of Elizabeth Bassenger. If she was born in 1864 as all the evidence says, she could not have been 24 when she married Charles Edward. More like 32.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 20:06

Oh I think you might just have found the key to the whole mystery. I have never ever looked at the 1911 census. Because I believed that Elizabeth must have died before 1909. Census clearly shows that Elizabeth Carter, nee Bassenger (well I am assuming the nee Bassenger) was alive after 1909.

1909 was the year Charles Edward Carter and Marianne Ivy Elizabeth Kimberley went to Australia. 1909 was the year, according to both their death certificates, that they married in London.

Now Australian BM entries for NSW say they never married in NSW. I have checked Queensland and there is little chance they married elsewhere.


We know they never married. And now have an obvious reason. Because as is shown on this census his first wife was still alive and living with her daughter and mother. Also Elizabeth's age on the 1911 census bring her date of birth to 1866 which is much closer to the truth.

Now another point which I thought was just a mistranscription but which I think I need to follow up. GRO Birth certificate for Elizabeth Ann Basinger born 24 Nov 1864. Name of father henry Basinger, name surame and maiden surname of mother
<<<<<<<<<,Martha Basinger formerly Basinger<<<<<<

now is that an error or was Martha married twice to two different Bassingers. Occupation of father Smiths Assistant, informant was father H. Bassinger address 31 Flowers Terrace Limehouse. Date registered 15 Dec 1864.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 20:19

Charles Green Bassenger. Died 1944 aged 77. Charles was the fourth child of Martha Amelia Green 1841 and Henry Frederick Bassenger 1836. He was born in 1867.

Why the Green in the name. Oh hang on. Weren't all Edward Green's children girls. Yes. Wonder if Martha and Henry decided to put the Green in Charles name to preserve the family name.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 20:35

All righ where are the areas of disbelief for which there is no proof and which do not make sense. I will ask for certificates for those bits. I know I have another certificate coming for this lot and I can't remember what it was I needed. Hang on will look at the email
Awaiting certificate for birth of Charlotte Rosetta Green .

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 21:53

hello

now that was a suprise wasn't it.

it is possible that she married 2 different bassengers although there were not many o them i told you before about miss Flack wo married her cousin mr Flack, when he died she married another cousin also called Flack. She must have liked the name.

AuntySherlock

AuntySherlock Report 3 Jan 2010 22:20

Also you have Hannah Elizabeth Haggis, married Edward Green and then married Charles Green. Edwards's father's name was William and Charles father's name was Henry.

I have just ty ped that from memory and have no idea if it is correct. This is so muddling. Just looked and yes it is correct.

This is so hard to follow one small screen at a time. I might put it all back into Legacy and see what it prints out for me.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 Jan 2010 22:49

exactly