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Anyone got any Mysteries I could help with?? Threa

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Zoe Report 21 Apr 2006 15:10

Karen Please post me the census details inc 1901 you have because unsure of name transcription in 1851/1861. Still browsing though Zoe


Zoe Report 21 Apr 2006 15:18

Kathryn What do you know about these people where did you get their names from a certificate? Do you have them in any census? How have you got back to them?(what led you to knowing of their marriage) Sorry for al the questions but need to know more info to try to find them. Zoe


Stephen Report 21 Apr 2006 15:26

Hi Zoe, I am trying to put this family together, and need another pair of eyes to help. I have a problem with Mary brn1833 as she had the surname Elliott at 8 yrs in 1841 census, but from research she ended up having 4 children, i am so confused, below is what i know so far from census records, please could you help me with finding out who's who, the last search has my grandfather on Herbert, who were his parents? can't have been the Nellie she would have been 14, would appreciate anything, regards Stephen. 1841 The Coach & Horses, Trumpington Mary Elliott abt 1833 Cambridgeshire, England Trumpington Cambridgeshire Rachel Elliott (Innkeeper) abt 1811 Trumpington Cambridgeshire Sarah Elliott abt 1832 Cambridgeshire, England Trumpington Cambridgeshire 1871 Bulphan Essex William Collis abt 1823 Bulphan, Essex, England Head OCC:Farmer. Nancy Collis abt 1824 Bulphan, Essex, England Wife Frank Elliot abt 1861 Paddington, Middlesex, England Boarder Mary Elliot abt 1865 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Boarder Rachel Elliot abt 1868 Islington, Middlesex, England Boarder 1881 Junction rd, West Ham Essex FRANK ELLIOTT abt 1859 Paddington, Middlesex, England Head West Ham Essex Frederick Elliott Plaistow, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Georgina Elliott abt 1855 Moreton, Essex, England Wife West Ham Essex MARY ELLIOTT abt 1833 Trumpeton, Cambridgeshire, England Mother West Ham MARY ELLIOTT abt 1865 Bulphan, Essex, England Sister West Ham Essex RACHEL ELLIOTT abt 1868 Kensington, Middlesex, England Sister West Ham 1891 census 9 Junction Road , West Ham Mary Elliott / head / widow / 57 / living on own means / born Cambridgeshire Mary Elliott / daughter / single / 25 / Machinist / born Marylebone Rachael Elliott / daughter / single / 23 / drapers assistant / born Kensington HERBERT ELLIOTT / grandson / 5 / born Plaistow , Essex 1901 8 St Helens Road , Prittlewell . Essex Mary Elliott / head / 67 / living on own means / born Cambridgeshire NELLIE Elliott / daughter / single / 29 / no occupation Herbert Elliott / grandson / 15 / grocers assistant / born Plaistow.....

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(¯`*•.¸*Karen on the Coast*(¯`*•.¸ Report 21 Apr 2006 15:52

Hi Zoe, in 1901 William Wallace living at Portsmouth Workhouse,gives place of birth as Somers Rd,Portsmouth. in previous census surname spelt Walliss or Walles,(parents james and esthet/hester)living in Green Rd(laterly called Somers Rd) thanks, Karen


newforester Report 21 Apr 2006 16:20

Hi again, I've plotted out the birth places and dates from the 1901 census in an effort to pinpoint where they are hiding in 81 and 91: 1851 Bethnal Green Thomas W Day Born 1853 Bethnal Green Esther ? Born 1876 Poplar Thomas W Day Born 1879 Poplar Myra E Day Born 1882 Poplar George H Day Born 1886 Stepney David A Day Born 1889 Hackney Martha E Day Born 1891 Plaistow Henry Day Born 1896 Bromley John Day Born I've tried to find Myra's birth, but only found a thin possibility of Myra being the second middle name of a Maud Catherine born in Poplar in 1879. However the family should be in that area in the 1881 census? I also looked up Plaistow for 1891, which could be either West Sussex or Herefordshire. I've no reason to believe they ever went near either of those counties though. So I looked for the births of Henry Day's in 1891 and found: 1890 Bethnal Green, 1891 Bromley or 1892 West Ham (which comes up in the next generation). These all seem very possible. Please could you see if you can find them on either census in those places? Yours, wishing they had an unusual name, very grateful again, Heidi


Zoe Report 21 Apr 2006 17:26

Stephen I know it's not what you want but did you have this Name: Mary Elliott Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Governess Unmarried Gender: Female Where born: Trumpington, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Swaffham Prior Ecclesiastical parish: Ely County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Source information: HO107/1762 Registration district: Newmarket Sub-registration district: Cheveley ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Folio: 243 Page: 4 Household schedule number: 13 GSU Number: 193654 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Mary Elliott Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Trumpington, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/5 Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Folio: 69 Page: 14 Household schedule number: 55 GSU Number: 542554 Can't see Mary in 1871 Do you know who your grandfather married? If so do you know when as you should order their marriage cert should have his fathers name on there if he knows who it is. It doesn't seem like she married can't see any of the children's birth's. As I said the best bet is to order your grandads marr cert Zoe


John Report 21 Apr 2006 18:39

Zoe, that was a tremendous amount of work, something which I really do appreciate. You could well be right about Martha/Mary being the same. All the family you have kidly listed are the ones which I am working on, and thanks to you, just about finished. I am going to settle down for awhile and piece them all together. Once again Zoe, many, many thanks - I don't know what the rest of us would do without people like yourself... Take care... John

Little Lost

Little Lost Report 21 Apr 2006 18:43

Thanks Zoe. More likely to be the one at Alkham. Great help thanks.


John Report 21 Apr 2006 20:33

Hi Zoe - It looks as though you were right in taking the name Martha as being that of Mary also. With one wife (Mary) and all the dates etc., it all drops into place. Even in the 1841 Census regarding John Cornelius (This could be the father of Mary - only thing is - the Mary born in 1841 to (Mary & Richard Nicholas) must have died as there are no references to a 'Mary' born in 1841 in later records... Again, many thanks.. John


Kathryn Report 22 Apr 2006 10:22

Hi Zoe The information I have has come from my mum.Fred was born in Fullham in 1881 'but I haven't a clue where May was born or when as her background is a mystery.My mum is certain they were married but doesn't know when.I do know they moved to India at some stage as my nan was born there in 1908.My mum however,is sure they were married in England,but she is a bit vague to say the least! kathryn


Lisa Report 22 Apr 2006 12:21

Hi Zoe, I'm trying to track parents of Daniel THOMPSON and his wife Ellen WARDLEY. I have him on all the census's since he married Ellen WARDLEY in 1849 in Preston Lancashire. Daniel THOMPSON was born c1825 Preston, Lanc & Ellen WARDLEY c1821 Preston, Lancs according to census's after their marriage. They had 4 children and seemed to have lived at the same address in Preston until they died. I can't seem to locate them before they married along with parents and siblings Can you help? thanks again Lisa


Zoe Report 22 Apr 2006 13:41

Kathryn No sign of marriage Found his birth on info you gave Name: Frederick Hiram Loveday Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Fulham County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 214 I can't seem to see him in any censuses it would be worth investing in his birth cert as that would give you his parents names then maybe we could find him. Hope this may help. Zoe


Zoe Report 22 Apr 2006 13:56

Lisa Now do you have the marriage cert to clarify fathers name? This maybe him if not tell me as there was one in Wigan. Bock lane or Back Lane John I think it says Shoemaker I think it says Daniel is a Cotton Spinner all born in county Daniel Thompson abt 1826 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Elizbeth Thompson abt 1827 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Henry Thompson abt 1832 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Jane Thompson abt 1834 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Jane Thompson abt 1837 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire John Thompson abt 1801 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Mary Thompson abt 1826 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Sarah Thompson abt 1836 Lancashire, England Preston Lancashire Source information: HO107/499/2 Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Folio: 27 Page: 50 Line number: 8 GSU Number: 306888 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Do you have the marriage cert if so what was Ellen's father's name as cant seem to see her. Thanks Zoe


Lisa Report 22 Apr 2006 14:33

Could be them Zoe as Daniel became a shoemaker and his children carried the names Jane, john & Elizabeth. You list a Mary born same year as Daniel, could they be twins. Also was the head John Thompson a widower? I don't have any certs. for iether at present. I'm assuming the wifes surname is WARDLEY as she was the only Ellen listed on the same marriage page. Is it possible to find John c1801 in later census's and see what he's up tp? thanks Lisa

Little Lost

Little Lost Report 22 Apr 2006 14:36

Hi Zoe, can you find the family of John Boyce and wife Eliza c 1818 Bristol Glouctershire children Eliza 1835 and Sarah 1839 They were in Kent at some point but not sure if they would have been there by 1841 Thanks GLoria


Judith Report 22 Apr 2006 15:45

Yes indeed, My Grandfather FRED HUDSON was a foundling on the steps of Leeds Town Hall. Working back from his age given when he died in 1953 Nottingham, he was born about 1893/4 He always celebrated his birthday on Feb 2nd but this might not have been his actual birthday. He later lived in the Otley area and married ELLEN MAY SENIOR IN Otley in 1924. We don't know how he got the surname Hudson, whether it was from the person who found him or the family that he lived with or indeed that he was left with the name on him. Thanks for the offer. Cheers Judith

Little Lost

Little Lost Report 22 Apr 2006 16:02

Zoe, turns out neither of the Finch families you found is the right one.... Turns out Sarah Finch c1840 fathers name is James and she also had a brother James and I think they were from Harrietsham. Thanks Zoe GLoria


Zoe Report 22 Apr 2006 16:10

Lisa It didn't say if he was a widower Found this on IGI DANIEL THOMSON Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 19 DEC 1825 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN THOMSON Mother: JANE Can't see him on 1851. See if you can find any of the other children on IGI at Zoe


Zoe Report 22 Apr 2006 16:14

Judith Have you got his marriage cert? ~ does it have a fathers name on it, sometime when people are brought up by people they call them their father on marriage cert it may help establish if it's his real name or one that he was given! Have you contacted Leeds office to see if they have any info on foundlings? Zoe


Kathryn Report 22 Apr 2006 18:04

Hi Zoe Thanks very much for looking it is much appreciated . Kathryn