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Simon

Simon Report 28 Apr 2011 09:42

Sylvia

many thanks plenty to go on there.

The names Heatley, Heys and Craven are always on these records.

I never knew RC records were not on family search that is maybe why I can't find any records pre-1837 for my Heatley's.

I have found one marriage of a Heatley who married a Heys.

I do think that John Heatley 1813 father did marry a Heys but was it Mary Heys?


Simon

Simon Report 28 Apr 2011 14:57

Bankruptcy involving Henry and Ralph

NOTICE is hereby given, that the following is a copy
of an entry made in the book kept by the Chief
Registrar of the Court of Bankruptcy for the Registration
of Trust Deeds for the benefit of Creditors, Composition
and Inspectorship Deeds executed by a Debtor, as required
by the Bankruptcy Act, 1861, sees. 187, 192,194,196, and
198 :—
Number—28,147.
Title of Deed, whether Deed of Assignment, Composition,
or Inspectorship—Composition.
Date of Deed—3rd December, 1867.
Date of execution by Debtor—3rd December, 1867.
Names and description of the Debtors, as in the Deed—
Henry Heys and Ralph Heatley Heys, of the Royal
Hotel, Southport, in the county of Lancaster, Hotel
Keeper.
The names and descriptions of the Trustees or other
parties to the Deed, not including the Creditors-
All the creditors.
. A short statement of the nature of the Deed—Whereby
the debtors agree to pay their creditors in discharge
of their respective debts, six shillings in the pound
within seven days from the date of registration ; and
upon payment or tender a release to the debtors.
When left for Registration—12th December, 1867, at
two o'clock.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Apr 2011 22:05

you say you go to Preston regularly. Have you managed to find the appropriate baptisms & marriages.

A lot of the RC records give extra information in the register, often as notes in the margin

Simon

Simon Report 28 Apr 2011 23:16

HI Ann

I have not been to Preston this year but I have been 5 times before.
I was not always looking for Heatley's.

I have looked for records for John 1813 and possible parents.

I did not find anything that I have not found on line.
I did not find any more possible marriage for his parents.
I did not find a birth record for John 1813.

I will trry and find time to go back soon

Simon

Simon Report 3 May 2011 15:34

is this Henry Heyes Birth?
I can't see another one.
I guess the Heatley name came from his wife

name: Henry Heyes
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Oct 1800
baptism/christening place: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Emlin Heyes
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C00423-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068945
reference number: item 7

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 3 May 2011 16:12

Ralph - showing his mothers maiden name to be Parker

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEYS Ralph Heatley North Meols North Sefton PARKER NM/3/394

and POSSIBLE parents

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HEYES Henry PARKER Elizabeth Ormskirk Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/2/58

Simon

Simon Report 3 May 2011 17:53

Hi Ann

All that makes sense

But what about these two



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HEYS * George PARKER Mary Leyland, St Andrew Preston 203/2/67

George Heatley Heys

Is Henry Heatley Ralph's father?


Why was Ralph a Heatley Heys the same as George Heatley Heys

Henry was plain Heys.

Simon

Simon Report 3 May 2011 18:56

Henry Heys mums birth ????


name: Emelin Hayes
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 Mar 1780
baptism/christening place: SAINT CHAD,KIRKBY BY MELLING,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 13 Mar 1780
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Hayes
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Alice
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04763-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 93758
reference number:

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 10:30

Is this my John Heatley Surgeon?
How would I ever prove it.
Does anyone know if records of army surgeons in the 1850's exist?

The Standard (London, England), Friday, September 07, 1855
THE ARMY
MEDICAL OFFICES FOR FOREIGN SERVICE - Orders were received yesterday at the garrison at Chatham for the undernamed medical officers, for embarkation for services at the hospital at Scutari, Crimea, and the colonies: - Acting Assistant Surgeon T L W Wright, left the General Hospital this morning for Portsmouth, to relieve from duty Assistant Surgeon Edward Dolen, who embarks at that port in medical charge of troops for the Crimea. Assistant Surgeon J Coates MD, 26th Regiment, is also to embark for the East and to exchange into another on his arrival there and Assistant Surgeon George C Clery, with the following 7 Acting assistant surgeons, from the General Hospital Fort Pitt, embark for Seutari and the Crimea, viz:- William V Brown, T PMitchell, D Knox, S Herbert, W L Veale, Charles Cooper and G G Leake. Acting Assistant Surgeon J J Kelly and Acting Assistant Surgeon C G Le Febure proceed to Barbadoes: ACTING ASSISTANT SURGEON JOHN HEATLEY and Acting Assistant Surgeon Bell embark for JAMAICA.....etc
There are up to the present date 276 invalid patients in the General Hospital at Fort Pitt and 339 in the supplemental hospital at Brompton Barracks; and there are about 400 patients
in the hospitals at Chichester & Portsmouth.
A very large number of invalids from te invalid depot St Mary's Barracks, being convalescents, left this morning in vans for conveyance to Gravesend thence to be forwarded to their friends and homes.
Serjeant Brodie 1st Royal Dragoons, whorecently prevented a duel at Canterbury has arrived at the invalid depot to be discharged from the service. He objects to this mode of getting rid of him as he is still able and willing to serve her Majesty and his country.

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 4 May 2011 16:07

There may be a record of this man's marraige at Kew (relatively easy to find, although not online). Also his baptism (a more involved search!)

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 16:09

I live in Manchester but if I ever go to London I will go to Kew for a number of ancestors including John Heatley.

If his marriage record lists his parents that would be brilliant.

Thanks for your input.

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 20:25

Another find but the details are only able to be viewed at Kew.

This is one year after John Heatley 1813 married to Ellen Jackson

Heatley V Rose I wonder what it is about, I really do need to go to Kew.

Lawrence Lucas pops again
Another William Heys
and a John Eastwood
a Thomas Eastwood married Catherine Taylor who was bequeathed Brindle Hall by Captain William Heatley in 1840 (are these two Eastwoods Connected?)
And another Ellen Jackson is she a different Ellen Jackson to the one John married? or is the date on the internet wrong and it is 1835 or 1836?
Who is Margaret Jackson??

Record Summary
Scope and content
[W1837 H3].
Heatley v Rose. Bill and two answers.
Plaintiffs: John Heatley and wife.
Defendants: Lawrence Lucas and wife, Elizabeth Rose, Margaret Jackson, Ellen Jackson, John Crook, William Heys and John Eastwood.
XP
Covering dates 1837
Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status Public Record(s)
Physical description parchment membranes


Some fascinating info out there but how does it fit together

Edited

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 21:07

This looks like Thomas and Catherine Taylor on the 1841 (Edited)
One year after Captain William Heatley died


1841
Catherine Eastwood
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Lancaster
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Eastwood 40
Catherine Eastwood 40
Catherine A Eastwood 15
George F Eastwood 9
Edmund P Eastwood 4
Maria Eastwood 2

1851 at Brindle Hall

1851
Cathrine Eastwood
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1797
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Leigh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Brindle
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Brindle
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age


Thomas Eastwood 56 Landed proprietor
Cathrine Eastwood 54
Cathrine Eastwood 29
Marea Eastwood 12
Octavus Eastwood 7
Charlotte Hulton 34
Mary Ann Butts 56
Mary Ann Stackhouse 29
Catherine Carius 23
William Clacksen 23
John Anderton 18
John Goth 36
Hanah Goth 34

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 21:09

1861

1861
Catherine A Eastwood
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1797
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Standish, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Brindle
Ecclesiastical parish: Brindle

Ecclesiastical parish: Brindle
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Brindle
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Eastwood 66
Catherine A Eastwood 64
Catherine A H Eastwood 39
Arthur Wm Eastwood 36
Francis Edmund Eastwood 32
Emma M Eastwood 26
George H Eastwood 29
Maria L Eastwood 22
Joseph Moss 25
Robert Berry 32
Mary Lister 44
Agnes Green 27
Catherine Collison 20
Mary Ann Marton 17
Emily Hurfurt 34


address Brindle Lodge

1871 Catherine a widow living in London

1871 Catherine is now a widow and lives in London....


Catherine A Eastwood
Age: 76
Estimated birth year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine A Eastwood 76
Arthur William Eastwood 43
Maria Laura Eastwood 27
Annie Howell 30
Annie Miles 20
Ellen Lening 22

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 4 May 2011 22:38

Maria Laura Eastwood's mother's maiden name was Taylor so not Catherine Heatley

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
EASTWOOD Maria Laura Lancaster Preston TAYLOR LAN/2/11

also Octavious

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
EASTWOOD Octavius Anselmo Brindle/Withnell Preston TAYLOR BR/3/56

Simon

Simon Report 4 May 2011 22:44

Thanks Ann

So another surname - Taylor.

So if Catherine Eastwood was Captain William Heatleys niece.

A sister of the Captain married a Taylor.

So Catherine Taylor

Simon

Simon Report 5 May 2011 12:47


Catherine Ann Taylors marriage 1818

No more clues

groom's name: Thomas Eastwood
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catherine Anne Taylor
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 22 Jun 1818
marriage place: St. Cuthbert, Lytham, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M16214-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470929
reference number:

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 5 May 2011 12:56

Are we making assumptions do you think or are we on the right track. With what seem to be common names for the area is there more than one family?

We have Brindle, Lytham and now Preston???

Marriage: 27 Dec 1785 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Taylor - of Leigh in this County
Catharine Heatley - of this parish
Witness: Law. Rawstorne; Ann Heatley
Married by Licence by: H. Shuttleworth - Vicar
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 180, Entry 535
Source: LDS Film 94013

Simon

Simon Report 5 May 2011 13:45

LOL

Taylors and Heatleys

So this could be the marriage of Catherine Eastwood parents

Catherine Heatley could be the sister of William Heatley

I found this

* The Heatleys, always staunch recusants, had resided at Samlesbury.
Brindle, and the neighbourhood for many generations. James at one time
resided in Preston, and gave his name to Heatley Street. His son, Captain
William Heatley, of Brindle Lodge, who died July 21, 1840, aged 76, was the squire so identified with the chapel at Brindle. During his life he was a generous benefactor to chapels at Manchester, Preston and elsewhere, and bequeathed large sums to the Church.

If Catherine Heatley father is James Heatley then I think it is quite likely that William is Catherine sister.

I have hunch that John Heatley 1813 grandfather was a James Heatley ,who knows they might be the same James.

Is this brother of Catherine Heatley?

Marriage: 17 Aug 1784 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Heatley - of Salmsbury in the parish of Blackburn
Betty Makinson - of Grimsargh in this parish
Witness: James Fowler; Wm. Hodgkinson
Married by Licence by: H. Shuttleworth - Vicar
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 136, Entry 403
Source: LDS Film 94013

Simon

Simon Report 5 May 2011 13:53

Could this James be John 1813 grandfather?

If James, Catherine and William Heatley were siblings who were their parents?

Captain William Heatley was born in 1764

So he would have been 20 when these two were married.
He never married.