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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 16:42

It can and is still done today.
Not much changes.
Except now its easier to get a divorce, so I guess bigamy is not around so much.
Mind you you only hear of the cases that are found out.

Of course if you want to know if it might be the same man you would have to send for that marriage cert as well!!
You need full wallets/purses for this lark I tell you.
viv

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 18:50

For looking for Martha Gardiner Boagey post-marriage -- this looks like her in 1901:

Name: Martha Gardiner
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Where born: Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Auckland
Registration district: Auckland

William Gardiner 54
Joseph Gardiner 18
Martha Gardiner 16
Bella Gardiner 11
Bessie Gardiner 8

No middle name, blast her:

Births Dec 1885
Gardiner Martha Auckland 10a 190a

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 13 Apr 2009 18:57

Just let me know what happened to Martha please?

Sean are you thinking of ordering the certificate to Martha?

Can you let us know the names of any witnesses on any marriage certificates you get,

Thanks

Selena

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 18:59

Oh, and --

"Wonder if he married Gertrude as Atkinson as he was already married then?"

-- of course he did!

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 19:00

Selena.

What happened to martha?

Any ideas then cos I am clean out

Not on 1911 under Atkinson/boagey/gardiner
and no death that I can see.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 19:41

Have we looked at this one?

Births Sep 1908
Atkinson Lucy Lanchester 10a 381

or

Births Mar 1905
Atkinson Louisa Darlington 10a 38

Births Dec 1905
Atkinson Louisa Hartlepool 10a 139

Births Mar 1906
Atkinson Louisa Hartlepool 10a 195

Births Sep 1906
Atkinson Elsie Louise Sunderland 10a 692

Births Dec 1906
Atkinson Louisa Ann S. Shields 10a 923

Births Jun 1910
ATKINSON Louisa Gateshead 10a 1094


Frank could have had a child with his second, er, wife, before she finally got him to marry her, and used the name Atkinson for that purpose.

Now, who wants to track them to the 1911 ...

I must say that since this LucyLou wasn't with the family in 1911, it does sound more likely that she was a child of the first marriage -- or of another woman altogether.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 19:42

Viv - I've looked at every Martha in the vicinity in 1911 to see whether there was a Lucy or Louisa living with her, and vice versa, but no dice.

Ditto deaths, marriages ...

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 19:50

I did the Martha job too ,so my guess is ,the funny farm,,or snuck off under a new name if william francis boagey was a b*****r like his son charles said.


Edit,,wasnt happy with it

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 19:55

Essentially, there are four Marthas in the 1911 born c1885 in Bishop Auckland (who don't have middle names, although the ones with middle names are outside the age range anyhow), always assuming our Martha, if living, reported her place of birth consistently:

DOUGLASS MARTHA 1886 25 South Shields Durham
LYNCH MARTHA 1887 24 Auckland Durham
RUMNEY MARTHA 1887 24 Auckland Durham
SPEAK MARTHA 1886 25 Auckland Durham


Er, who are those Atkinsons, Viv?

Oops, sorry - that's one of the Louisas from the births I posted.

lisaking

lisaking Report 13 Apr 2009 19:57

lets say william was married before ive found a william gardiner a francis gardeiner and also a lillian maybe lo 1907 the others 1902 ish and 1904 ish says long shot but william and francis same family same as william francis also lillian our lo im crap at this just want to find something cant find half as much as you lot

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 20:08

LOUISA 1905
1911
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON DOROTHY JANE F 1905 6 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON JOHN ROBT M 1905 6 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON LAVINIA F 1909 2 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON LOUISA F 1881 30 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON LOUISA F 1906 5 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON ROBT M 1874 37 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON STEHPHEN M 1867 44 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON THOMAS M 1886 25 Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON VIOLET F 1910 7 MONTHS Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON WILLIAM M 1911 3 MONTHS Hartlepool Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON WINIFRED F 1903 8 Hartlepool Durham

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 20:09

LOUISA1905

1911

HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON HENRY M 1884 27 Darlington Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON LAURANCE GRAHAM M 1882 29 Darlington Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON LOUISA F 1905 6 Darlington Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON MARY LOUISA F 1881 30 Darlington Durham
HOUSEHOLD ATKINSON MAUD F 1908 3 Darlington Durham

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 13 Apr 2009 20:14

Cant find this one in1911

Births Sep 1908
Atkinson Lucy Lanchester 10a 381

probably why not

*********************************

Deaths Sep 1908 (>99%)
ATKINSON Lucy 0 Lanchester 10a 170

lisaking

lisaking Report 13 Apr 2009 21:31

what about this one viv looks like a cioely gardiner 1903 oct nov dec did i say charles had a slight lisp so maybe couldnt say here name right also found a william gardiner and a francis gardiner 1902 and 1904 also aq lillian 1907 gardiner 1907 may be had more children before he married our martha sean

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 13 Apr 2009 21:50


Births Dec 1903
Gardiner Cicely Louisa Auckland 10a 245

Marriages Sep 1928
Gardiner Cicely L (Cave) Auckland 10a 440


1911

GARDINER CICELY LOUISA 1904 7 Auckland Durham

GARDINER TIMOTHY 1865 46 Auckland Durham
GARDINER MARIAN 1867 44 Auckland Durham

Nope.

lisaking

lisaking Report 18 Apr 2009 18:02

hi all i have a hunch hear me out i think that gertrude was a place not mace ive found a gertrude m place in 1901 cen married to a john f place in durham living next door are the byers didnt we think that esther was a byers before boagey i cant find john and gertrude together on the 1911 cences would you look
if not im wondering if they were both married and ran away together both changing there names and thats why we cant find any trace of lucy because mothers maiden name is place not mace well you did say they got away with every thing in them days sean xx

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 18 Apr 2009 18:26

Bayes was one of the names considered ,not Byers, I think it was Sean.
Have you had the readable cert through yet for boagey / atkinson?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 18 Apr 2009 18:34

HOUSEHOLD PLACE JOHN FRANCIS M 1876 35 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE GERTRUDE MARY F 1904 7 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE GERTRUDE MAY F 1881 30 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE JAMES EDWARD M 1902 9 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE JOHN M 1905 6 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE MICKEL M 1910 1 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD PLACE THOMAS DAVID M 1908 3 Sunderland Durham

That is them taken care of.

Sorry Sean,they are still together.

lisaking

lisaking Report 18 Apr 2009 18:36

no not yet due next week around the 20th

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 18 Apr 2009 18:45

Tell them to hurry up then as they should give all that is needed to sort out this nutty family.
viv
P.S tell mother I dont include her in the nutty ones.